Peoples Champ Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Love the model and have been running the Executioner the last 3 games with Sonnia, Samael and 2 witchling stalkers (playing 25ss). However he is proving to be less than successfull usually getting shot or cast out of the game. How do people usually play with the big guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 use a deathmarshal and put him in a pine box! Works very well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgaunt98c Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 But then he won't go anywhere, he'll just survive. I'd suggest making use of cover to protect him from fire until he can get in close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstuff_gav Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 ah, but as Death Marshalls are smaller, they should be easier to sneak around, plus better Df and Wp than the Executioner? then if the Death Marshall does get shot / killed (can't be sacrificed ) the Executioner pops out within 1" (hopefully in combat range) and would have made all that distance unscathed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 That's an interesting combo! Does this mean we've actually finally found a use for Pine Box? Does the Executioner come out un-activated when this happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstuff_gav Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 while i can't see anything to say either way (P24) i suppose depends; if he's been activated that turn then buried, then no, i suspect he couldn't reactivate. If its a couplea turns later he's not been activated so i'd assume so... afterall, he's not Summoned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradox Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Never thought about stuffing him in a box! I usuaully use him as a bullet magnet and just run at them (trying to use cover if possible). The efforts put into killing him usually means everything else gets a couple rounds free of attention early on. This usually means my marshalls are picking off the enemy. Running everything up in the 1st turn helps too, as it puts enough potential threats out there that they can't really focus on just one without taking retribution from the others. In many ways I count on the ranged threats my masrhals pose to make the opponent reconsider trying to drop enough shots into the executioner. If that doesn't work, it means I have 3 cherry mashals, judge and Justice in their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgaunt98c Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I forgot the part in pine box where they come up 1" from the marshall. Not a bad plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I had someone do it with lady J to me... that was a game i would rather forget... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashkettle Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Personally, I'm of the opinion that the best you can get out of the Executioner is a couple of corpse tokens so I can bring out a Flesh Golem. I'm biased though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEiRD sKeTCH Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 While that is a valid tactic, I prefer using the hooded claw machine as a second wave attacker. Like the clean up crew. He's slow moving. So, I throw my faster moving models forward as the first wave. Softening up the meat for fatty to chop down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgaunt98c Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 And really, if your other models make it mostly intact to their objective, but the executioner dies, he's helped your crew enough to justify his cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Interesting - I'd not thought about using pine box in that way.... That said though it seems to be a bit against the spirit the rules were written in and I'd probably be a bit annoyed if someone tried this on me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstuff_gav Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 sometimes it's useful to work outside the box (geddit?) ; Seamus beating up his Belles for Necrotic Ministrations. So'mer slapping gremlins around to gain piglets and so on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 True but both Seamus and So'mer tooth rules are specifically written that way and therefore it is the way the rules are intended. Obviously to the letter of the rule, the tactic can be done and im not arguing that! The pinebox is obviously intended to be used as a weapon - the target model needs to pass a WP (why if it is a friendly spell?), and is designed to remove enemy models from play - I very much doubt it was wyrds intential to use the death marshalls as people carriers.... Plus the 'fluff' stats there are a weapon, a magical holding cell used to inflict horrible visions upon the prisoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 The pinebox is obviously intended to be used as a weapon - the target model needs to pass a WP (why if it is a friendly spell?), and is designed to remove enemy models from play - I very much doubt it was wyrds intential to use the death marshalls as people carriers You can always cast spells against friendlies and they always get to resist - i am happy to incite/pacify with pandora on my own woes to get the free push but i still need to flip and cheat against myself. I agree that in terms of 'fluff' its not right. In terms of the mechanics and RAW - its acceptable and legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 ...and with the questionable ethics of even the most noble of Malifaux residents... is it that far from the realm of reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yup! Plus Lady J is blind so she can't SEE anything in the box! Its one of those things where you walk the fine line of fun vs win. Thing is though - every faction has something like this... EG. - Mcmourning or nicodem using 1 or 2 two point canines to make a 7pt flesh construct Levictus using blessings of desolation on a punk zombie and the zombie killing a canine for a SBA Pandora using Incite/pacify on her own models after they have activated so she gets free pushes I am sure i could think of more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstuff_gav Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 one of the things i've learnt from the Confrontation tournament scene is using these oddball tactics can really throw your opponents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n0signal Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Levictus using blessings of desolation on a punk zombie and the zombie killing a canine for a SBA. It was recently ruled (and will be in the FAQ apparently) that this trigger only works on enemy models now. It wouldn't surprise me if a few other things follow, so that they're not being abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 some of the best combos so far involve friendly models being sacrificed in one way or another. In a way it makes sense because of the setting and all, i rationalize it that Sonnia (my fave guild master) doesn't really care about her underlings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Well considering that she made a number of them out of convicted Arcanists I'd imagine she likely doesn't. The cut-throat nature of pretty much all the factions would encourage a dog-eat-dog sort of playstyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issalbotproto Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I want to try Pine Boxing him now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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