Math Mathonwy Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I saw the model in the flesh finally and it seems a bit weird. First of all, it's absolutely gigantic. From knee to shoulder it's as tall as Jacob Lynch is with hat an all. Second, it's head seems to be same as one of the Illuminated's with just deeper hair texture. Anyone else noticed these things? Any opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldManMyke Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Its obviously related to the Wendigo victim. Ended up cutting it away on mine and replacing it with a coffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Well the scale on the Victim is kinda off with itself as well If you compare the head to the rest of the torso: It's really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 That's just horrible. These are premium miniatures - I think that Wyrd have great quality minis but they are fairly expensive. Stuff like this really is unacceptable IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 That's just horrible. These are premium miniatures - I think that Wyrd have great quality minis but they are fairly expensive. Stuff like this really is unacceptable IMO. I agree with you 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveless Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Wyrd doesn't quite have the "Let's put everything in the same scale" bit of making a miniature range down yet. It takes time - you'll see similar issues in older GW sculpts (you'll have to go back a few years - at some point in 7th edition WHFB they managed to make some master racial sculpts and have done a decent job of keeping the WHFB miniatures an appropriate size. 40K minis are still out of scale with each other to a noticeable effect). Some of the PP sculpts out there are, likewise, out of scale. Compare the Black 13th or Kell Bailoch to a Strider Deathstalker and gaze in horror However, usually it's the entire model out of scale with the range instead of model bits out of scale with the rest of the model. That victim is absolutely awful. Makes me nearly as annoyed as the Young Nephilim with the head/spinal column, where he apparently is pulling off the head of an ogre... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 But here it looks like just laziness. I mean, they took the head from an illuminated and stuck it on an absolutely oversized body. That's just weird. The pics that ZFiend provided looks just utterly ridonculous. How can something like that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 But here it looks like just laziness. I mean, they took the head from an illuminated and stuck it on an absolutely oversized body. That's just weird. The pics that ZFiend provided looks just utterly ridonculous. How can something like that happen? I will bring it tomorrow to our hobby night so you can see it yourself. It's even worse live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 How bad is the Wendigo victim? It's easy enough to find pictures of the contents of the Children of December box and he looks larger than Rasputina, but she is the only human and might be a slip of a girl for all I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldarion Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 But here it looks like just laziness. I mean, they took the head from an illuminated and stuck it on an absolutely oversized body. That's just weird. The pics that ZFiend provided looks just utterly ridonculous. How can something like that happen? Artists discovered long ago that if you scale a human down and keep the proportions correct, they look wrong. In particular, limbs appear to be way too thin (if you blew up a typical Wyrd mini to 1:1, you'd probably find that even their limbs are a bit chunky, although not too bad). Add on that the victim is expected to be viewed from one particular angel (from the front of the golem) and I can understand the artist wanting to try some scaling tricks to make it look right. It sounds like they didn't do too good, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Artists discovered long ago that if you scale a human down and keep the proportions correct, they look wrong. In particular, limbs appear to be way too thin (if you blew up a typical Wyrd mini to 1:1, you'd probably find that even their limbs are a bit chunky, although not too bad). Add on that the victim is expected to be viewed from one particular angel (from the front of the golem) and I can understand the artist wanting to try some scaling tricks to make it look right. It sounds like they didn't do too good, though.To me it looks like the artist copied an existing head and stuck it on. I really, really doubt that the artist was making a conscious choice of trying some scaling tricks.Also note, this isn't 2D art, minis are supposed to be looked at from different angles - that's the point! Especially for a gaming piece. A diorama you could make in a way that it only works from a specific angle but not a gaming piece.I have been supporting Wyrd from before Malifaux 1st edition and I have always applauded their way of doing business in that they aren't afraid to say that they made a mistake and then correcting it. This I think is pretty much the first time I've personally seen stuff like this from them, which is why I'm so upset about it. And I'm utterly flabbergasted that other people aren't raising furor over this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 To me it looks like the artist copied an existing head and stuck it on. I really, really doubt that the artist was making a conscious choice of trying some scaling tricks. If he was, I hope that he learns to stop doing that from this piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Regarding scale The gunslingers are only slightly taller (if all were standing straight), by my oh my are they thicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Footman Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 the gunslingers are really truescale space marines without their armor, wyrd figured you could use them for that other comp[anies game as well, and this way lawyers don't show up actually seeing this, I'm kind of glad i held off getting them, i didn't know about the size, but like how the original looks better, short, potbellied, and i put a cowboy hat on him and named him Barry, Barry the Bastard Ortega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oh that's a bad scale mismatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 What's really funny is sticking the flesh construct w/victim next to the Bette w/ victim sculpt. Blows your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 What's really funny is sticking the flesh construct w/victim next to the Bette w/ victim sculpt. Blows your mind. Do you happen to have a picture of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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