McCabe, Dismounted McCabe and Conditions

[13th Warrior]

Hi,

 

Came up in a game last night.

 

Sonnia hit McCabe with Flameburst, knocking him off his horse and inflicting Burning +1. Does the Burning Condition carry over to Dismounted McCabe or is he treated as a separate model?

 

I thought Conditions carried over, but that may have been a 1st ed hangover, as the 2e Coryphee / Duet says pass on the damage but makes no mention of Conditions

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[Dirial]

They are completely separate models. Their cards specify exactly what gets transferred between them: status as Leader (and position in Schemes) and upgrades. Conditions aren't mentioned and thus don't transfer.

[13th Warrior]

That's the way we played it, but good to get it confirmed, cheers

[entropolous]

Its was just the horse that was on fire/poisoned/etc.

[The Godlyness]

poor horsey some one call peta

[entropolous]

I think PETA has their hands full with McMourning....

[MasterDisaster]

The others have it right. McCabe is reduced to his last wound and the model is removed but you then summon Dismounted McCabe to take his place. It's a separate model so conditions such as Blighted, Burning etc wont carry over. 

[Adran]

Its worth remembering the downside, you have summoned a new model so it will be slow and unable to interact until the end of the turn.

Normally anything targettign the model will end in those circumstances, but Dismounted McCabe will still count for any schemes that used McCabe as the target due to his wording (So you can't just assasinate the horse, you actually have to kill him).

 

Edit- Corrected that he can't interact rather than is insignifigant

[MasterDisaster]

Its worth remembering the downside, you have summoned a new model so it will be slow and insignifigant until the end of the turn.

 

If Dismounted McCabe was summoned and then used his (0) Desperate Gamble to Re-Activate would he still retain his insignificant? Obviously Slow would have been used up in the first activation but will will he also lose the Insignificant from being summoned that turn?

[Thaarup]

Its worth remembering the downside, you have summoned a new model so it will be slow and insignifigant until the end of the turn.

 

Not true. A summoned model gets the slow condition and may not take Interact Actions during the turn they are summoned (rule book page 51) but they are not Insignificant.

[Thaarup]

If Dismounted McCabe was summoned and then used his (0) Desperate Gamble to Re-Activate would he still retain his insignificant? Obviously Slow would have been used up in the first activation but will will he also lose the Insignificant from being summoned that turn?

As he never got Insignificant in the first place then it is not really an issue. In terms of the model would be able to use the Interact Action, then no as it is for the rest of the turn (unless he got summoned in the upkeep fase the previous turn).

[MasterDisaster]

Oh sweet! Well if he doesn't get Insignificant then my question is kind of redundant, so he can still count for certain schemes and strategies. He just can't interact all turn which is fair enough.