Nekima and True mother order of operations

[The Godlyness]

Nekima Bleeds on model and kills it summons a tot can she immediately Grow the tot into a young?

 

a slow full health young seems good to me.

 

for referance

 

Feast, My Darlings: When this model kills an enemy model, a friendly model within 6" may count as having killed the model for the purposes of the Grow and Mature Abilities.

Born of Blood: Once per Turn, when an enemy model within a2 is killed due to the Black Blood Ability or the Black Blood Pustule Action, this model may discard a card to summon a Terror Tot in base contact with the model before removing it. The summoned Terror Tot suffers 2 damage,
ignoring the Black Blood Ability.

 

 

[The Godlyness]

Heh tell that to after damaging triggers. Collodi is a prime example of a dead model doing an action before expiring.

[Thaarup]

After Damaging is before you check for killing I would presume.

[zFiend]

Because this happens to be a rules discussion forum. You know, where people discuss rules not their feelings about them. 

 

I see, there was also something about using common sense when discussing and reading the rules

[Dracomax]

The bigger reason to discuss it and things like it here is that eventually, someone is going to come up with it at a tournament, and ask the tournament runner to give them a rules reason why it doesn't work. I'd rather give them ammunition to use against "that guy" in such settings.

 

but yeah, common sense: not on the list of five senses for a reason—it's about as common as psychic ability.

[The Godlyness]

After Damaging is before you check for killing I would presume.

Oddly enough that is not the case. The trigger it's self says perform the trigger before removing the model. But that was a whole diff thread.

[Tuttleboy]

Heh tell that to after damaging triggers. Collodi is a prime example of a dead model doing an action before expiring.

I'll have to assume you're talking about the My Bidding trigger. If you're saying that a model he damages and reduces to 0 wounds gets to do a 1 AP action before it leaves the table, that's wrong unless there's been something added to the FAQ.

Anyway, looks like you've made your mind up and mine is made up. I'll wait for designer input.

[The Godlyness]

If you find that thread you will see your answer. The trigger itself explicitly says when it works. Ie before the model is removed.

Don't worry I was upset to wondering how a dead model does an action. (Or if a model that is at 0 wounds but heals does it still die but hey can't have it all)

[Dracomax]

Well, with collodi, it's more of "he is using his abilities to turn the new corpse into a temporary puppet..."

[Ausplosions]

I'll have to assume you're talking about the My Bidding trigger. If you're saying that a model he damages and reduces to 0 wounds gets to do a 1 AP action before it leaves the table, that's wrong unless there's been something added to the FAQ.

Anyway, looks like you've made your mind up and mine is made up. I'll wait for designer

The killed model does indeed take a 1AP action before being removed. 

[zFiend]

The killed model does indeed take a 1AP action before being removed. 

 

Yeah, Justin himself came in and said that after locking the thread.

[daemonkin]

A similar question came up during a tourney at the weekend. Nekima killed an ice Golem so I grew a young nearby to a mature. My question was does the ice bast hit the young before he matures or after? If it's before potentially the young could die (he was on full wounds as it turned out) and would not mature. If it happens after I can summon into base contact outside the blast area and avoid damage on my mature.

 

D.

[The Godlyness]

Once it's killed abilities trigger before the model is removed. But whose ability goes off first is under timing. (I think it's defenders first but my rb. Is Mia)

[Tuttleboy]

Missed that and don't like it, but I guess I'll be playing it that way.

[theJudge]

Bad post.

[theJudge]

A similar question came up during a tourney at the weekend. Nekima killed an ice Golem so I grew a young nearby to a mature. My question was does the ice bast hit the young before he matures or after? If it's before potentially the young could die (he was on full wounds as it turned out) and would not mature. If it happens after I can summon into base contact outside the blast area and avoid damage on my mature.

 

D.

Large rulebook pg.46. General Timing call out box. Triggers resolve before abilities. If two abilities resolve at the same time then the attackers ability resolves first and then the defenders is resolved.

The young would grow first and then the mature would take the damage I believe.

[daemonkin]

That's the way we played it. Nekhima kills golem. Young matures but mature is summoned behind the young and therefore out of blast range of the golem who then explodes.

D.