Timing Issue with Pine Box and Ceaseless Advance.

[Makrar]

Hi

Had an issue come up in a game the other week

A Death Marshall had Pine Boxed a Flesh Construct and on the Start Closing phase of the the last turn the Flesh Construct won the wp -> wp duel and broke free.

Does he then get to make his Ceaseless advance melee attack?

We looked at the timing rules and it says effects that Must occur happen before effects that May occur and we both agreed that both effects must happen. The next step is to resolve effects by the activation order - who exactly has activation order in the closing phase?

My thoughts was that the flesh construct breaks free but cannot make his ceaseless advance attack and my opponent thought he could.

Anything I'm missing?

Thanks!

[Twisted Metal]

The flesh construct cannot be pine boxed because it is immune to influence.

If he did not have immune to influence then yes he would still get a strike. Both effects resolve in the Start Close Phase and can happen right after each other.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Twisted Metal

[Kadeton]

Getting out of a Pine Box is a "may" timing - the subject may make a Wp -> Wp duel to try to escape.

Ceaseless Advance is an implicit "must" - there's no option to not do it.

[Ausplosions]

How did you Pine Box a Flesh Construct?

[Adran]

Maybe it was near Pandora in a 3 player game?

Or it lost its immunities to willpower because of a corephyee duet. (Possible in a brawl).

It might had its immunitioes removed by its own carrion effigy to allow it to be lured, and it backfired horribly ( I think the Crrion effigys wording would allow this).

So not impossible within the rules, just unlikely.