DeadRaven Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Hello! I'm afraid this might be an re-post of some sort. But diden't managed to find my own answer by search, checking FAQ/Errata & Clarification, nor reading the rule's manual. So, a freind of mine tell's me that the Link action: 1: Ends in the Closing Phase 2: You are only able to link 1 model to 1 model (ie, 1 sorrow to pandora, not 3 sorrows to pandora, for example.) Could i get some clarifications to this? a "link" that brings me to the right place of clarification XD Cheers! Ps: And sorry if this is an re-post. ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Page 118 of the Rules Manual has part of the break down for the Link action. More specifically though, it only ends in the Start Closing Phase if the models aren't in base contact at the start of that phase. Also the description of the link action (on the new model cards like the Guilds Drill Sergeant, not the V2's or Rules Manual) clearly states that you can only link to one model at a time (and also that the model intitiating the action and the model that is targeted are both considered Linked). I am confident that the new 1.5 edition of the base book will have the correction in it). Edited July 22, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DeadRaven Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Thanks for the clarification. New I had looked at it somewhere^^. However, my freind tells me it dosen't state on his drill seargent card that it's not limited to 1 Link. But as you say, the 1.5 might clarify this shortly. Thanks for the response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Landjorden Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 My Drill Sergeant doesn't clarify anything, just states: Link (0) nothing more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Look in Rising Powers page 105. Because Wyrd has learned it is easier to change the rule books vice the cards (and Link has become a much more common ability) the descriptions on the cards are being pared down (Apologies). Edited July 22, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DeadRaven Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Founds it! Thank you very much Omenbringer! And sorry for our doubt^^. We just wanna get this game right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 No problem, there have been a lot of revisions to both the cards and books over the years and it can be a lot to wade through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mpangelu Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 whoa, so your saying the pandora having multiple sorrows linked is no longer valid? I missed the part about they are both considered linked... If they are both considered linked does that mean that if the one who has the link ability can move and the "linked to" model can push instead (essentially does linking on someone give both the push ability if the other moves?).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Joel Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Pandora, or anyone else can have multiple models linked to it still. The quote being used above simply reads that a particular model with the link ability cannot be linked to mre than one model at a time. E.g. A sorrow cannot be linked to pandora and (for sake of argument) a death Marshall at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mpangelu Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Oh ok, I was about to say. The part where they are both considered "linked" seemed a bit vague so I wasn't sure if that was what he was indicating. I knew you couldn't do it to more then one model at a time and that it only went away when one of its requirements for ending happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Pandora, or anyone else can have multiple models linked to it still. The quote being used above simply reads that a particular model with the link ability cannot be linked to mre than one model at a time. E.g. A sorrow cannot be linked to pandora and (for sake of argument) a death Marshall at the same time. Look at the new wording for the Link ability that I referenced for the Guild's Drill Sergeant and you'll see the wording change. (0) Link: This model and target model in base contact with it are Linked. After the model this model is Linked to completes a Walk action or ends its activation, Push this model into base contact with the Linked model. A model can be Linked to only one model at a time. Since both models are considered linked (the Blue text), Pandora will be unable to link multiple Sorrows like she used to. This is the most recent version of the linked ability that I could find. Edited July 23, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mpangelu Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 So how I interpreted it earlier in the thread was the correct way. Is that right though? I can see what your saying and agree, I just know a few Pandora people that won't be too happy with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Except for the recursive Push, yes you interpreted it correctly. Link only allows the model that performed the Link Action to Push (not the model Linked to). And yes I am sure there are going to be a lot of angry Pandora players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Joel Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks for posting the full wording . So, no chnge at the moment and we'll have to see if RM1.5 adopts this new form. Currently though, since link is not errata/FAQ and neither are sorrows or pandora for this, then people are playing things correctly by having multiple sorrows linked to her. Personally, I don't think it would harm pandora overmuch if this change came in, and might appease some detractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mpangelu Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Harm her? No. But I have a friend who likes to make her into a death bubble with them and it would be interesting to see how that owrks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Joel Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Harm her? No. But I have a friend who likes to make her into a death bubble with them and it would be interesting to see how that owrks out. Death bubble simply gets. Little smaller, or effectivly gets duplicated by a doppleganger running around with it's own version and a sorrow. I won't worry bout a chnge unil it hits print though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yokozuma Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 In regards to the number of models that can be linked. 1. No change has been made to the Sorrows card in the Model clarifications page. Therefore the V2 card is still the rules that should be used for that model. I was under the impression that in any case that a card does not agree with the book then the card is to be treated as correct. I would think that if a change to the way the sorrows Link was to take place then that would need to be changed on the card, and therefore a change in this document would be required. 2. In the Rules clarification document for Pushes they use the example of Pandora being linked to three Sorrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bashamer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 hrm, the wording is weird; because LINKED is bolded like an ability you'd be getting the same ability from multiple sources with the same name; meaning that they don't stack. But linked is defined nowhere; so you'd be going off of the bolding of the word to infer that it is an ability. i'll just avoid multiple linked sorrows to Lilith for now until I know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mpangelu Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 hrm, the wording is weird; because LINKED is bolded like an ability you'd be getting the same ability from multiple sources with the same name; meaning that they don't stack. But linked is defined nowhere; so you'd be going off of the bolding of the word to infer that it is an ability. i'll just avoid multiple linked sorrows to Lilith for now until I know for sure. Thinking you meant Pandora there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 May that's bashamer he links sorrows to lilith transpositions them and at the end of the activation springs back to lilith. Bashamer is famous for this even has is own pullmyfinger entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Like I said Link has become a much more common ability since it first appeared, so the description is being left off the cards (in favor of common ability entries in the Rule Books which are much easier to change). Though the general rule is that a card trumps the books, it only really applies when the card is newer than the published material, there fore the wording I quoted from Rising Powers does trump the cards (and the Rules Manual both of which were published before Rising Powers). Love it or hate it, the correct verbage for the Link ability is what appears in the Guild Drill Sergeant entry from Rising Powers, playing it otherwise is wrong. So Pandora can no longer link multiple sorrows (since the verbage clearly states that both models are Linked and that models may only be Linked to a single model). I am sure that the new 1.5 book will clearly frame the ability (and am also fairly confident that future card releases will have less and less description to combat the issues that are appearing now). ---------- Post added at 09:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:26 PM ---------- But linked is defined nowhere; so you'd be going off of the bolding of the word to infer that it is an ability. Linked doesn't necessarily need to be defined as it is more like a characteristic or status then an ability. However we have probably reached the point were an actual Rules Marshal is going to have to come weigh in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The RM is the correct wording. The Link effect sits on the Linking model eg. Sorrow. So multiple models may link to one model. Eg. 3 Sorrows may link to Pandora as shown in the clarification diagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Ratty, thank you but one quick parting question, why the change to the wording of the ability on the Guild Drill Sergeant entry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I believe that is identical to the RM wording. Link is a tricky subject. It has went through lots of iterations a lot of them before I was on the scene. The best thing I can really do is say this is how it's meant to be played, and add a section to the Clarifications page going though a few examples. Which I will try to make sure we do on the next pass at the FAQ/Errata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Ratty, it is not he same as the wording in the Rules Manual thus the debate on the subject. Dont really care one way or the other but am hoping that the new 1.5 edition of the base book will clear up a lot of this confusion of reading thru several differnt sources and trying to determin which was printed most recently. PS. also figured the change was to tone down the Pandora train tactic that was lamented about around that time. Edited July 24, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 You are right they aren't the same. I was busy with 2 or 3 things when I posted above, so couldn't check. The RM is the most up to date and correct wording, coming after the printing of Book2. When link was made a common ability. Book 1.5 will have the exact same wording as the RM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeadRaven
Hello!
I'm afraid this might be an re-post of some sort.
But diden't managed to find my own answer by search, checking FAQ/Errata & Clarification, nor reading the rule's manual.
So, a freind of mine tell's me that the Link action:
1: Ends in the Closing Phase
2: You are only able to link 1 model to 1 model (ie, 1 sorrow to pandora, not 3 sorrows to pandora, for example.)
Could i get some clarifications to this?
a "link" that brings me to the right place of clarification XD
Cheers!
Ps: And sorry if this is an re-post. ds
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