Avatar Rasputina & Ratcatcher / Rats

[bashamer]

So Rasputina gives the rats Shater 2;

So if there are a few rats surrounding a ratcatcher and Rasputina hits a Rat; all are whitin the shatter range.

Can the rats survive assuming that the models are in a square all in btb w/ the Ratcatcher as one end, and rasputina on the other end.

This would be so much easier w/ a stack

[The Godlyness]

You as the attacker gets to choose what's dies first so she kills a rat, rat explodes deals 2dg to rat catcher summons a new rat if there was another rat in the pulse 2 it would shatter and deal 2dg to the rat catcher and the newly summoned rat. Which then explodes till the rat catcher dies and all the rat exploded. Now if hamlin or another rat catcher is around its an infinitely loop and you win the strategy slaughter. Other wise just don't break the game.

Or i coupd be wrong and it would only summon the rats after they both exploded.

Idk.

[bashamer]

yeah it is kinda weird; I guess the rat player can order the effects as all effects are generated by models that he ownes; but the simultanious is weird as you place during damage.

but as for slaughter; you get to kill 1 rat. The rest are killed by the ratball owner.

[Hateful Darkblack]

I think that, until an official ruling is made on this, it's pretty likely that the answer to this is "Each side cuts for a card, and go with the interpretation from the player with the higher card."

[bashamer]

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I guess I'll just have to ask the TO before I put it on the table.

[Hateful Darkblack]

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I guess I'll just have to ask the TO before I put it on the table.

Oops, I keep thinking from a casual gamer's perspective. Yeah, in a tournament, you'd have to ask the TO. Because the rules do not currently contain an answer to this.

[VBGames]

We ran into a similar situation during a friendly game and decided that the rats exploded simultaneously, killed the rat catcher and no rats were replaced. We weren't playing slaughter at the time, but it seemed a fair resolution.

[bashamer]

the slaughter issue is easy; you killed 1 rat.

The question is how many rats the rats kill and if they can spawn and die until they are far enough away.

[marshimartian]

Don't forget: I believe Ratcatcher is vermin, so he heals every time a rat dies as well, and depending on timing would negate the Shatter damage, which also means the rats could potentially die/respawn infinitely.

Weird interaction for sure...

[Omenbringer]

Definately in need of an official clarification as Infinite Loops are something the company has worked diligently to counter.

Remember though that all the models affected by the initial Shatter are damaged simultaneously so the newly summoned rats wouldn't necessarily be affected by it (since they appear after all the models affected by the Shatter have sustained damage and been removed) unless they are summoned with in subsequent Shatter 's (from other Rats being hit with the Initial or Subsequent Shatter 's).

Also Marshmartian is correct that the Rat Catcher could still be healing each time a Rat dies (if with in 3" of him) and if enough are within range of him also be benefitting from Armor as well reducing that damage down to 1 from each Shatter.

Edited July 22, 2012 by Omenbringer