Graysen Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Hi First off appologies if this is answered elsewhere. but Ive be unable to find it via search My Question: We targeting friendly models with Obey do they have to take the WP duel and if they do can I cheat the result down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 They do have to take the duel. You can cheat it down. When a model is resisting a spell, you can always choose to tie the result, letting the spell go off. In the case of Obey on a friendly, you have to flip the card, but you can always choose to let it affect you regardless of your Rst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 When a model is resisting a spell, you can always choose to tie the result, letting the spell go off. Does this include enemy spells? (i.e. if you for some reason, want to allow something to take damage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Does this include enemy spells? (i.e. if you for some reason, want to allow something to take damage) As I recall, it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 As I recall, it does. Nope. The relevant rule is on RM page 51, under Resist Duel Required. Only models friendly to the caster can choose to lower their Resist total voluntarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Nope. The relevant rule is on RM page 51, under Resist Duel Required. Only models friendly to the caster can choose to lower their Resist total voluntarily. Cool. Thanks for looking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Can you do this if the card flipped is the black joker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Can you do this if the card flipped is the black joker? Yes. The Black Joker cannot be cheated, but you aren't cheating it. More than likely, though, if you flipped the Black Joker you don't need to choose to fail... you already did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harbinger Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) Think what your meaning to ask is if you either flipped the red joker on the resist, or if flipped the black joker on on the casting? or lets muddy it even worse... I cast and flip a black joker, on resist I flip the red joker.. can I choose to fail the resist? Bigger question is can you switch out decks because that that point yours hates you. (before anyone says it.. yes I know what happens since the black was flipped on casting, Im just trying to see if understand what was originally meant so its easier to explain the situation.) Edited March 8, 2012 by harbinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Norton Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Two thoughts come to mind, First, black joker on the the "to cast" won't successfully cast Obey in the first place for any model I can think of so you would never get to the Rst stage. Second, Choosing the tie the result is not under the rules for cheating fate so the rules for the Red/Black joker should not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Woah. Saint is right. OK, when you are casting a spell, you flip to Cast first. If you don't hit the CC, the spell isn't going off. There is no reason to even flip a Rst. That said, the Black Joker could conceivably get a spell off since it's not a "fail" but rather a zero. You'd need to soulstone, though. So, once you have successfully cast the spell, you flip the Rst. You can choose to fail it regardless of what card it is, including both Jokers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Well, this is all correct so far, but even with a Black Joker, most models with Obey also have Use Soulstone so they'd be able to add a card randomly by burning one and still might get it to go. Just offering additional tactical info.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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