Asphyxxious Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Lately I have been wanting to play a caster master that just does a lot of damage. The only caster I really play is pandora making a bunch of often pointless duels to do 1 1 1 1 1. I think it will be refreshing to just blow stuff up with blasts lol. Plus I love kaeris' model and am looking forward to the alt rasputina sculpt. A couple questions though 1 or 2 essence of power? I could just bounce 1 back and forth to benefit both but would restrict movement. Plus painting one like ice for tina and 1 like fire for kaeris seems cool 1 or 2 silent ones? Pretty simple there. Is 2 neccessary with kaeris? Snowstorm? Would he be more for a tina list without kaeris? That's 19 in 2 models plus 2 essence of power seems like a must at that point being 23. Fire and ice gamin. Looking at it it looks like you want 1 ice gamin for his damage aura then fire gamin after that? With 2 strong casters I assume I want 7 to 8 stones every game so I'm thinking something like Tina. 7ss cache -essence of power 2ss Kaeris 8ss silent one 6ss Ice gamin 4ss Fire gamin 4ss Fire gamin 4ss Fire gamin 4ss Am I thinking the gamin are going to be more effective then they are? If so I could drop 2 fire gamin for a second silent one and essence Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelle341 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have run this exact list and had a good bit of luck with it. It dosnt look like it can dish out to much untill you really look at it I would probubly think about gunsmith's though they are one of the best range options the Arcanists have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I suppose I will have them from the box anyway.. might have to try em out. I havnt seen them played but looking at them I don't like them much. Figured tina and kaeris would be enough ranged damage lol. I will try them though. At 6ss just run them over silent ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Here is my Raspy list. Rasputina Essense of power - 2ss Silent One - 6ss Snow Storm- 11ss Ice Golem- 9ss Ice Gamin- 4ss Lots of power, lots of aggro to take off Raspy to get her set up. I like it and it leaves you with 7ss to play with. My Kaeris list. Ramos Moble Toolkit - 3ss Kaeris - 8ss Gunsmith - 6ss Fire Gamin X2 - 8ss Mech. Rider - 8ss I run this list, but I have cought a lot of flak for it. People say its too scattered, but I think its versitile enough. Of course, its just an idea. I love Kaeris, but running her as a master, I just feel she is too squishy. I wish I had more SS for this list, but I make do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Oh yeah, Fire Gamin with Arcing Screen...Sweet! (Ice Gamin too, if you hit the trigger) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Here is my Raspy list. Rasputina Essense of power - 2ss Silent One - 6ss Snow Storm- 11ss Ice Golem- 9ss Ice Gamin- 4ss Lots of power, lots of aggro to take off Raspy to get her set up. I like it and it leaves you with 7ss to play with. My Kaeris list. Ramos Moble Toolkit - 3ss Kaeris - 8ss Gunsmith - 6ss Fire Gamin X2 - 8ss Mech. Rider - 8ss I run this list, but I have cought a lot of flak for it. People say its too scattered, but I think its versitile enough. Of course, its just an idea. I love Kaeris, but running her as a master, I just feel she is too squishy. I wish I had more SS for this list, but I make do. How does the ice golem work for you. I havnt heard many good things about it. Especially seeing as how kaeris is 1 less ss. But I agree about running her as a henchman. I like the idea of her with tina. Plus 8ss is a great price for her imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasin666 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 My Kaeris list. Ramos Moble Toolkit - 3ss Kaeris - 8ss Gunsmith - 6ss Fire Gamin X2 - 8ss Mech. Rider - 8ss I run this list, but I have cought a lot of flak for it. People say its too scattered, but I think its versitile enough. Of course, its just an idea. I love Kaeris, but running her as a master, I just feel she is too squishy. I wish I had more SS for this list, but I make do.id suggest dropping the gunsmith adding third gamin and essence of power to link to kaeris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 The Ice Golem works pretty well for me. I use him mostly for distraction and softening for Rasputina. And when you stick him with Snow Storm, his mobility makes him better. Usually, he dies, but he dies well. By the time they are done dealing with the cranky Golem, Rasputina is all set up to dish out the rest. Also, his defensive trigger makes him able to go toe to toe with the big hitters like killjoy or mature nephs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 id suggest dropping the gunsmith adding third gamin and essence of power to link to kaeris Thats not a bad idea. To be honest, I have not been super happy with the gunsmiths. I mostly used them to heal kaeris or draw fire. They just dont do so much damage, and there are so many other things out there that can out move and out gun them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Thats not a bad idea. To be honest, I have not been super happy with the gunsmiths. I mostly used them to heal kaeris or draw fire. They just dont do so much damage, and there are so many other things out there that can out move and out gun them. That's kinda what I was thinking about the gunsmiths also. They are really accurate but the damage is kinda meh. Especially since silent one has similar damager and other utilities for the same ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasin666 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 now that i think about it companion them use kaeris to hand out burn tokens the use essence to accelerant or have them both do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 That's kinda what I was thinking about the gunsmiths also. They are really accurate but the damage is kinda meh. Especially since silent one has similar damager and other utilities for the same ss. Sweet. Now ive got a new list to try out. Although, I might drop the essense to give Ramos two more soul stones....I dunno. Ill have to think about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonook Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Have a stab at this list too for 35ss: Raspy +essence Kaeris 2 x Gunsmith Silent One Fire Gamin 7 pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Have a stab at this list too for 35ss: Raspy +essence Kaeris 2 x Gunsmith Silent One Fire Gamin 7 pool Eh, I just dont have good luck with the gunsmiths. They do boost kearis and all, but I just dont feel like they hit hard enough. Ill give it a shot though. Maybe I just havent used them correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh man, sorry Asphy, I hope your getting something out of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 In all honesty, from looking at this list I don't see all that much threat. You have a single bubble contained Rasputina and Kaeris, and the silent one and the gamin, but its just the one area. Its also a little slow which can be problems on many scenarios. Snowstorm moves the list on mass which can be handy. But i've only recently started trying fire gamin, they might be better than they look. The potential healing for Kaeris is pretty good with the gunsmiths and the silent ones and all the blasts availble. I still worry about how it would cope in treasure hunt or Reconotter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 To use Fire Gamin, I guess its just player preferance. For me, I just use them to suicide on large groups of baddies. Spam the fire tokens while doing some damage. It frees up Kaeris to do her thing. Also, depending on scenarios, I guess their usefulness can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 In all honesty, from looking at this list I don't see all that much threat. You have a single bubble contained Rasputina and Kaeris, and the silent one and the gamin, but its just the one area. Its also a little slow which can be problems on many scenarios. Snowstorm moves the list on mass which can be handy. But i've only recently started trying fire gamin, they might be better than they look. The potential healing for Kaeris is pretty good with the gunsmiths and the silent ones and all the blasts availble. I still worry about how it would cope in treasure hunt or Reconotter. Would you suggest running snowstorm along with kaeris? I was just worried that might be too many points in expensive models is all. Maybe something like Tina 8ss -essence 2ss Kaeris 8ss Snowstorm 11ss Ice/fire gamin 4ss Gunsmith/silent one 6ss Just as an idea. Model count seems really low though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 To use Fire Gamin, I guess its just player preferance. For me, I just use them to suicide on large groups of baddies. Spam the fire tokens while doing some damage. It frees up Kaeris to do her thing. Also, depending on scenarios, I guess their usefulness can change. Pretty much what I was thinking. Have em run in there and either have kaeris overheat it or have tina bounce decembers curse on it getting free blasts pretty much cheating its resist down. Plus the pulse when it dies. But I havnt actually tried it so it is all theory for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Thats completly valid. If you dont care about your model, shooting into combat is very effictive. You are going to hit something, and if you cheat it right, you just blast everything. Then the pulse damage, then Kaeris does her thing. Very good against the mobs of undead. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Just wish I had the models to test my ideas lol. Just waiting on the alt sculpt for tina then ill try most of these lists out. So is it generally snowstorm OR kaeris? Or is both alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovemachine Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Just wish I had the models to test my ideas lol. Just waiting on the alt sculpt for tina then ill try most of these lists out. So is it generally snowstorm OR kaeris? Or is both alright I would pick one or the other. With Kaeris, you should take fire Gamin. You dont have to, but it helps. And then with Snow Storm, you dont need any Fire Gamin. So when you have both, it spreads you out. But if you can make it work, go for it. Nobody has a perfect list. Hell, you might just want to take all heavy hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Agreed, both is too much in under 45ish pt games. I believe they both need some support models, and different ones generally. Whilst you can blow up gamin to spread the tokens, I haven't come across enough situatiuons where that seems to get me enough effect to be worth the 4 soulstone investmemt in a gamin. Mind you I'm still struggling to consistantly add burning tokens to models, so I'm not making the most of Kaeris by a long when when I play her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guild Monkee Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 How does the ice golem work for you. I havnt heard many good things about it. Especially seeing as how kaeris is 1 less ss. I've found the golem is actually more useful than a lot of people have suggested. It's movement and defense are just awful but he's decent at tying things up for a while. When they inevitably kill it, you get shatter to deal damage. I've even shot it in the back of the head when it was on it's last wound purely to get shatter. Whether it can be more useful than Kaeris depends on the encounter, opponent and what else you're using. If you also take SnowStorm, the movement issues disappear and you can also get soft cover too to help get into the thick of things without getting killed. Against weaker things like rezzers it's pretty handy but every time I've gone against Lilith with one it's not lasted more than 2 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Agreed, both is too much in under 45ish pt games. I believe they both need some support models, and different ones generally. Whilst you can blow up gamin to spread the tokens, I haven't come across enough situatiuons where that seems to get me enough effect to be worth the 4 soulstone investmemt in a gamin. Mind you I'm still struggling to consistantly add burning tokens to models, so I'm not making the most of Kaeris by a long when when I play her. Alright ill keep them in seperate lists then. Had a feeling it would be that way. I was wondering about the application of burning tokens as well actually. Without a couple fire gamin in seems like it would be hard to get to where you need to be, add tokens, and make good use of them. Even with gamin they aren't exactly incredibly mobile to apply tokens themselves anyway it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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