Deluge Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 hey if you don't want them, I'll give them a home... They have a home, I just don't know how they got or or why!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 They are clearly Raven Guard, masters of stealth. And precisely why you should send them on to me, for your safety obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 so, if I have this right.. PD is sending me a copy of WD75, and Deluge is sending me the Marines and drop pod..gratis obviously! What other free stuff does anyone want to send me..not tat though, I have standards... *nods towards wall sized Taylor Swift photo* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 They are clearly Raven Guard, masters of stealth. And precisely why you should send them on to me, for your safety obviously. They are most certainly going to be Black if I get around to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Anyway, I'm off to the Gym to try and get my 5km time below 25 minutes, have a good day all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 that reminds me I really need to get back into exercise again.. *sigh* *reaches for crisps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Alive please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Not to be a downer, but I don't like the "pop" turn Taylor has made these past couple of years... I enjoy her older stuff. Back when "country music" was still "country music". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Country Taylor? blergh..well, the music anyway lol.. Pop Taylor...well, everyone knows my feelings on that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 @ Crush Post that in the soapbox, I dare you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Not the pants thing, the other post loL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Unlike Crush (who is obviously the MODEL employee) I hate working later than I have to .... and tonight I am working an extra half hour..got a 'meet the teacher' night at the primary school.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Dissing the boss? I am starting to see where the power lies in that office! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ok so I am curious about this and have been for a while, do you get taught about WWI and WWII in schools? And how is it taught? That is a really interesting question that I'll be happy to discuss... sadly, I'm off to said counselling. I'll come back to this later, if you'll kindly remind me. Thanks for asking. It is an interesting question. I will look forward to hearing the answer.. @ Deluge... I don't know about your experience but when I was taught about these things it was done so in a non glorious way. The teaching actually focused on the horrors of both wars committed by all involved. Not once were the german people depicted as evil, or for that matter the UK etc depicted as good. The only 'organisations' where they were demonised were the Nazis and Hitler himself. It will be interesting to hear a German viewpoint. So, you asked, and I'm back to answer. In Germany, the first exposure to National Socialism happens in grade school, with about 8 years of age. One doesn't understand much, but I remember the feeling of hearing about something vastly important. Kids feel it when adults talk about something important, awkward and frankly scary. My father exposed me to the first images of Nazi events like the Parteitag in Nürnberg when I was 7. I was very aware that my father would never hit me, with one exception: Performing a Hitler salute or demeaning the Holocaust in any way would have brought me the thrashing of a lifetime. In Highschool (or the equivalent, about 14 years of age) the Third Reich, its roots and causes, are topic in school for the first lengthy time. About half a year, German students learn nearly everything about the political situation that lead up to Hitler's rise to power and WWII. The war isn't discussed in detail, just it's broad course. The Holocaust is however discussed in depth. Two years later, history classes which usually start with the Roman Empire, have closed up to the German Reich, the advent of WWI. The European Imperialism and nationalism gets assessed and WW1 is discussed as well. This is just another war, though. The scale is made clear, the shock when people realised what was happening, the progress of the war and why Germany finally lost it. All this time, the hints are emphasized why the end of the Great War and the structure of the Weimar Republic led to the rise of the Nazis. Then, the Nazis are discussed again, why their system worked, and why it would work again if we let it happen, now in depth, and without any reservations about the atrocities committed. By then (16 years of age), most Germans have been confronted with that topic multiple times, but now the blinders come off. I remember my tears when I first visited a concentration camp: That moment I stood in the office of the camp commander and just stared at a desk lamp made of human skin. Realizing that he had it made to keep their tattoos. Realizing that he had flayed people alive because he liked their tattoos to make a lamp out of them. The cold feeling in my gut when I realized that that horrible person had had a pretty good sense of art, because that god damn lamp was beautiful. Feeling that I somehow understood that camp commander. It was the first time I felt responsible for it. Then seeing the mountains of glasses. Shoes. Teeth. Every year I watch the documentaries when the end of the war comes around again. I see what German soldiers did. There are a lot of German survivors, mostly women, who still tell what the Russians did when they came to Berlin. The Americans, the British, the French, they committed the same war crimes the Germans did when they invaded our country: Torture, rape, murder, it all happened. Well, they didn't single out some groups, that's a bonus. But I cannot think lesser of those Allied soldiers. They had come through the concentration camps on their way to Germany. No one could have seen that and not be changed by it. Then, around 18 years of age, it's the topic in school again, if you stay long enough. This time, the political situation is discussed more in depth. Why the British let Hitler do what he did for so long. Why the French surrendered so fast and what the resistance did. The crimes of the Swiss who traded with the Nazis. How the Italians wanted to emulate the Third Reich but proved too inept at warfare, so the Germans had to even conquer Greece for them. How Hitler made a critical error when he supported the war in Russia instead of Africa. By then, everyone is aware of the Nazi horror. It's politics discussion by then. It leads to the occupation and division of Germany, to the Iron Curtain and finally Reunification. By then, German students know what their elders did. They know that after the war, everybody calmed their mind by claiming that they hadn't known. But it's all lies. They knew. They participated. Those poor, dead people had been people, for fucks sake. And somehow, we, the people who know about it because we get told since childhood, we have to make it right somehow. And damn it, now I'm crying again. Fuck. Just a quick one guys. I've just had my ass handed too me for spending too much time on the forums at work. Last week alone I clocked up 13 Hours. Turns out my sneaky boss had a new router installed that tracks websites used etc. If my usage goes higher than 2.5 hours a week (aka lunch breaks) then he's going to block this site from work computers. So... sadly I wont be able to come on as much as before. I could use my phone but it's a pain in the ass and if he catches me on there I'll get another ass kicking That's a real bummer. So does that mean you'll be here at the weekends now? Probably because we all know each other before this topics come up. It isn't arguing with random user five, it's talking to my friend Abs, or Dirial, or etc. The atmosphere of this thread since I joined in so many years ago has always felt like me and my friends sitting at a coffee shop or out to dinner somewhere. Sure the conversations can get heated, but none of us want to lose a relationship over scoring a meaningless "point". And that keeps this place healthy, which is why I always come back here lol. That's just it. There are topics I'm sensitive about, and there are topics I'm passionate about. You know most of these topics, and if I react inappropriate, I'm sure you'll tell me in a respectful way. And I'd do the same. That's what it feels like to talk with friends, so I consider you all such. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 And it's good for people to have different views. You and I definitely don't agree on everything, but that doesn't mean we don't both make valid points in our own way. When there is no dissent, there is no progress. Total agreement. So, I've cooled off a bit. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I destroy him at the office, he destroys me at Malifaux. Balance restored. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm just saying in general. I am sure if you and I had an entire day to swap beers and views on life, it would be an incredibly interesting conversation. Every reasonable discussion requires a level of mutual respect - you and I have that. The moment someone else treats me with disrespect in a debate, I keep as level a head as possible, but once I hit my limit all bets are off. Still total agreement. Just no swapping beers. We'll take mine, I'm okay with that. So, I'm emotionally exhausted from writing that post, and all the people who wanted to know are absent? Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Dirial, that has always been a passing curiosity for me, in that how history is taught in other countries. Growing up, I never found it interesting (and it reflected accurately in my grades in History class), but as I got older, my fascination for learning it grew. One of those fascinations stemming from how history is taught in other countries. And I agree with Crush that the education level in the US is so inferior (at least by comparison to those Americans "like" to see as equals"). It reminds me of the rant that Jeff Bridges from "Newsroom" goes on about how America is not the greatest country in the world. After reading what you learned growing up in Germany, the rant he makes is all the more poignant. Kudos to you though. Even I felt all the raw emotion from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Dirial, that has always been a passing curiosity for me, in that how history is taught in other countries. Growing up, I never found it interesting (and it reflected accurately in my grades in History class), but as I got older, my fascination for learning it grew. One of those fascinations stemming from how history is taught in other countries. And I agree with Crush that the education level in the US is so inferior (at least by comparison to those Americans "like" to see as equals"). It reminds me of the rant that Jeff Bridges from "Newsroom" goes on about how America is not the greatest country in the world. After reading what you learned growing up in Germany, the rant he makes is all the more poignant. Kudos to you though. Even I felt all the raw emotion from it. To be fair, learning history in Germany just means learning German history most of the time. Contrary to the US, Germany has been a central power in a lot of historical events before WW1, if not as a nation then at least geographically. The history of America is by far not taught as in-depth here. Most of what I know about your civil war is self-taught. What makes the German perspective unique, I think, is that we are pretty much the only country that emphasizes teaching its own history so much and isn't proud of itself. Patriotism is actually frowned upon in Germany (and generally only okay during the World Cup). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 What makes the German perspective unique, I think, is that we are pretty much the only country that emphasizes teaching its own history so much and isn't proud of itself. Patriotism is actually frowned upon in Germany (and generally only okay during the World Cup). Makes me wish that the US taught lessons about our Civil War in a similar manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Makes me wish that the US taught lessons about our Civil War in a similar manner. Here either Well, okay, that might be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/ Great article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I can't keep up with you guys! First off, hope things go well with the doc, Vic. I'm pretty much the same as you in that regard. I still don't know what to do with my life. I'm pretty lazy by nature and I don't enjoy work. I've spent the last 10 years sort of floating between jobs not really knowing what I want to do. At the moment I'm working with my families business but it's not what I want to do. Wish I could get some sort of adviser to point me in the right direction but as far as I'm aware that sort of thing isn't available over here. That's most people over 25 who aren't idiots. Don't feel so bad. I'm still wondering what I want to do next, because while this job is a solid, steady income, it is boring as hell (between the time I started and now, the powers that be have decided to take away all of the interesting stuff to do). Hopefully you can make the most of those 2.5 hours, MD Probably because we all know each other before this topics come up. It isn't arguing with random user five, it's talking to my friend Abs, or Dirial, or etc. The atmosphere of this thread since I joined in so many years ago has always felt like me and my friends sitting at a coffee shop or out to dinner somewhere. Sure the conversations can get heated, but none of us want to lose a relationship over scoring a meaningless "point". And that keeps this place healthy, which is why I always come back here lol. You've just summarized why people tend to be a lot meaner to each other online than in real life. I've told people "sometimes it's better to be nice than to be right. Being right all the time gets pretty lonely after a while." Not to be a downer, but I don't like the "pop" turn Taylor has made these past couple of years... I enjoy her older stuff. Back when "country music" was still "country music". Taylor was never really country in my book anyway. Of course, neither is 98% of what is on country radio, either. It's all pop with a twang- what isn't putting an accent on Elvis is twanging up the Eagles or mainstream pop. Even the crossover country of the 70s was waaay more distinct than the current stuff. *bro hug* Also, I am jealous of the level of education children get in other countries. We are a vacuum of stupid. According to the education I received in the 80s and 90s, America is great, other countries constantly needed saving, and no one else did anything important ever. Then I got to college and learned how horrible America was, even though I suspected my education was full of shit the whole time. But because those answers weren't going to be on the test, it wasn't necessary to learn. And it's good for people to have different views. You and I definitely don't agree on everything, but that doesn't mean we don't both make valid points in our own way. When there is no dissent, there is no progress. I think I was lucky enough to have a couple of teachers that went against this. College is where the real learning begins, in my opinion, because by then you're actually able to think for yourself and free to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Taylor was never really country in my book anyway. Of course, neither is 98% of what is on country radio, either. It's all pop with a twang- what isn't putting an accent on Elvis is twanging up the Eagles or mainstream pop. Even the crossover country of the 70s was waaay more distinct than the current stuff. True enough... My final comment on Taylor though, "Bad Blood" is the perfect example of a mediocre song (at best) with an awesome music video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/ Great article. I thought Lincoln began the Civil War to fight vampires? Seriously, good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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