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I'm currently working on PDA friendly Excel file for army building. Each time I figure out a template to make for each Master I find a new rule that means I need to go back and redo each page for each Master I've already done.. Here is what I have so far as rules.

Model limit (Rare# unique)

Merc Limit (2)

Von Schills exception to merc limit

Freikorps rule

1 type of totem

Ramos - Borrowed Tech

Marcus - Beast master

C Hoffman - Constructs

Henchmen rule (1 per master)

Henchmen as Master With force restrictions

SS Limit if henchman is your master

Collodi & Marionette (must buy 1 marionette)

Johan cost difference (MSU)

Special Forces Rule

Basically its going to be 1 Tab for each possible master and all the model they can Hire. With color coding if a rule is broken. For the time being it will only be for scraps, I may add extra tabs for Brawls but will be stuck with both masters coming form the same faction. I'll post here if it breaks any of the Wyrd rules for posts they can remove it.

In the mean time I've had to undo some of my work a couple time because I discovered a mistake in the logic. And I only really know Archanists & mercs, Before I start doing all the data entry for other factions I'm hoping to get a list of the rules and exceptions in building an army. Can you guys post any I've missed.

PS: I Will not be adding all key words/abilities/Stats/ect.... Just Names and costs. So don't bug me on it.

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I would LOVE a copy of this when its done. Hopefully this is the kind of info you want.

Coppelius (Unexplained connection - can be hired by C. Hoffman)

Dreamer (Rare on Teddy is lifted)

Dreamer (Can hire 3 Daydreams)

Zoraida (Can hire any model with WP 4 or less)

I assume your totem ruling "1 type of totem" takes into account that certain totems can only be hired by certain masters.

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Yep, this is the type of info I need.

if you can do me a favor can you make a list of the non-Neverborn with WP4 or less, it will save me the trouble of going threw the book again. I already made a list of Mercs, Beasts, Ramos friendly models, I know archanist well enough to do Hoffman.

As for totems, I'm aware of fact most totems are reserved. I'm also aware of the Mechanical birds/ The dreamer totem is limited to 3. Are there more with the ability to come in more than 1. For simplicity I set them up as RareX.

Setting up rules for the different Spec Forces forces are going to be the biggest pain, exceptionally with the exception to the exception of the force leaders.

Did I miss any for Mercenaries, because they are going to impact all the other factions.

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WP 4 or Less

Papa Loco - Guild Bk1

Nurse - Res Bk1

Bayou Gremlin - Out Bk1

Piglet - Out Bk1

Warpig - Out Bk1

Hog Whisperer - Out Bk 1

Guild Hound - Guild Bk2

Malifaux Raptor - Arc Bk2

Silent One - Arc Bk2

Desperate Mercenary - Out Bk2

Malifaux Rat - Out Bk2

The Stolen - Out Bk2

Ophelia Lacroix - Out Bk2

Young Lacroix - Out Bk2

Francois Lacroix - Out Bk2

Gremlin Taxidermist - Out Bk2

Pere Ravage - Out Bk2

Rami Lacroix - Out Bk2

Raphael Lacroix - out Bk2

I am not positive but I believe that Zoraida's ability overrides the special forces limitation.

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As for Mercs.

Leveticus - Can only hire Constructs, Undead, and Soulless (any faction no additional cost)

Som'er Teeth Jones - Can only hire Gremlin and Pig

Viktoria - Can only hire Mercenaries

Rusty Alyce - Can only be hired by masters with Scavenger. Also when hired by non-outkast master she costs an additional 2 SS.

Hamelin - When in Crew, the Crew can hire 1 Ht 1 model from any faction.

Hamelin the Plagued - May only hire Ht1, Insignificant, and Soulless models from any faction with no additional cost.

Jack Daw - Crews with this model may hire "The Hanged" models.

Nix - can only be hired in crews with Hamelin (either)

Rat Catcher - Can only be hired in crews with Hamelin the Plagued

I'm not as familiar with the Outkasts as I am with the Neverborn. I'm sure some Outkast player will give you more.

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Totems which specify a master or masters in their Totem characteristic can only be hired and connected to those specific masters unless some ability specifically says you can disregard this limitation. Currently no master can do that so you can only hire totems with the Totem(Master) characteristic out-of-faction.

The Mechanical Doves allow a maximum of 3 to be connected to Colette at one time.

Nicodem's vulture totems allow a maximum of 2 to be connected to him at one time.

The Daydreams were already mentioned.

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For now I'm putting the totems with specific masters as out of limits, and the Spec Force rule is in place.

I missed Rusty Allice, Got Freikorps librarian and the Performer & Mannekin (+2 SS as merc)

The 1 HT Hamlin rule I think will be ignored for now. I don't want 1/2 the models on every page. On the outcast page I think I'll add it.

That's If someone want to make the list for me. All 1 Height models he can hire.

:hmmmm:

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I don't know much of programming(/macroing and filtering in Excel) or anything at all, but how do you need the data represented?

Hmm well, here's some more things to consider any how:

As for Mercs.

Leveticus - Can only hire Constructs, Undead, and Soulless (any faction no additional cost)

Som'er Teeth Jones - Can only hire Gremlin, Pig and Vermin.

Viktoria - Can only hire Mercenaries (Both normal ones and Freikorps combined)

Rusty Alyce - Can only be hired by masters with Scavenger. Also when hired by non-outkast master she costs an additional 2 SS.

Hamelin - When in Crew, the Crew can hire 1 Ht 1 model from any faction. (But does not override other limitations such as Viks and Schills mercenaries only)

Hamelin the Plagued - May only hire Ht1, Insignificant, and Soulless - that are not Constructs, Gremlins or Henchmen - models from any faction with no additional cost.

Jack Daw - Crews with this model may hire "The Hanged" models.

Nix - can only be hired in crews with Hamelin (either)

Rat Catcher - Can only be hired in crews with Hamelin the Plagued

I'm not as familiar with the Outkasts as I am with the Neverborn. I'm sure some Outkast player will give you more.

(Additions in red by me)

Arcanist Raptors can be taken by and only by Marcus, Zoraida and Guild crews containing Austringers.

Coryphée cannot be taken in a crew not containing an Arcanist Master - ie. Leveticus and Hoffman cannot.

Remember that Performers have the Mercenary trait.

And... Noone mentioned Kirai yet!

She can take every spirit in the game. :)

Non-Ress spirits I can think of at the moment:

Primordial Magic, Essence of Power, Insidious Madness, Stolen, Snow Storm, Nix.

Oh and in Kirai's crew everyone that isn't a Spirit gets Rare1.. Troublesome :P

Don't know if this is of any help at all but - Special Forces:

Bold indicates the leader, ie. lifts the max-2-limit.

Elite Division:

Lucius

Guild Guard Captain

Lawyer

Ryle

Horror:

Molly Squidpiddge

Rogue Necromancy

M&SU Asset:

Kaeris - Ramos lifts the max-2-limit aswell.

Gunsmith

Large Steampunk Arachnid

Soulstone Miner

Doll:

Collodi - Zoraida lifts the max-2-limit aswell.

Marionette

Stitched Together (Not part of the special forces, but have the Doll trait)

Wicked Doll

Freikorps:

Von Schill

Freikorpsmann

Specialist

Librarian

Trapper

Kin:

Ophelia

Young LaCroix

Francois

Raphael

Pere Ravagé

Rami

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For now scraps, I'll think over how to make some of the rules different for brawls. This started as just a list for my PDA, but realized I was typing up over 30 % of the book and my friends will bug me for their factions. Once it became a project with a final product for other that I don't want to be bugged about later my professionalism kicked in and all the details were needed.

If I take this to brawl level it will be huge list per page, kinda defeating the benifit, and should be done bu a proessional programmer, I'm limited by the fact I can't program for Android or Iphone and it needs to be usable on the version of office on my phone.

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I really like this idea.. I probably don't know the rules well enough to be able to help but...

I have noticed that several threads on various sites that refer to army list creators that have the words "army" and "builder" together in the title have had to be removed because of copyright issues with that company that makes armybuilder.

I want to make this a positive and get you to come up with a better name for your project... builder is so tired and does not fit the theme of Malifaux anyway..

Maybe "Crew Creator" or "Hired Gun Saloon" or something that has a link to the western, steampunk or victorian eras.

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I really like this idea.. I probably don't know the rules well enough to be able to help but...

I have noticed that several threads on various sites that refer to army list creators that have the words "army" and "builder" together in the title have had to be removed because of copyright issues with that company that makes armybuilder.

I want to make this a positive and get you to come up with a better name for your project... builder is so tired and does not fit the theme of Malifaux anyway..

Maybe "Crew Creator" or "Hired Gun Saloon" or something that has a link to the western, steampunk or victorian eras.

Sad but good point, it is a litigous world and the people that named their software that generic name has been quite forceful with their protection of it. Something more characterful could simply be funner anyways. Yes I used funner.

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Remember that Performers have the Mercenary trait.

And... Noone mentioned Kirai yet!

She can take every spirit in the game. :)

Non-Ress spirits I can think of at the moment:

Primordial Magic, Essence of Power, Insidious Madness, Stolen, Snow Storm, Nix.

End quote from woodschow. Stupid phone.

Nix of course can only be hired by a crew with a Hamelin so Kirai would have to hire him first.

Good Luck with this, there are some serious hiring shenanigans in this game.

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