scythewing Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 When Pandora makes MacMorning attack himself does he get to heal himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippieshopper Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Haha, I never thought about that...I don't see why not, but I don't know anything about Pandora's spells or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltheos Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Yup. She's probably better off obeying something else to attack him. EDIT: I read the above as Zoraida and Obey, not Pandora and Self-Loathing. Gotta remember you lot don't always spell out the full question. Edited January 12, 2011 by Keltheos Low caffeine intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEiRD sKeTCH Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 If Pandora had Obey... :coffee: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Let's revise Pandora to give her Obey! Perfect! I remember online discussion just about a year ago that denounced her as one of the worst masters in the game. Clearly this is in order, Sketch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Let's revise Pandora to give her Obey! Perfect! I remember online discussion just about a year ago that denounced her as one of the worst masters in the game. Clearly this is in order, Sketch! Woo hoo! Obey for Pandora ;D She needs more evil, her evil quotient was falling bellow 4.0 since Book 2 ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I remember online discussion just about a year ago that denounced her as one of the worst masters in the game. Clearly this is in order, Sketch! Hah. I know it happened, but I can't believe anyone ever though Pandora was underpowered. I remember reading the book for the very first time, loving Pandora because of being able to play little creepy kids, but almost not picking her up because she seemed to me to be so ridiculously overpowered. The only reason I decided to get her was when I read the errata that they had changed ignite/pacify so you couldn't hit your own guys. I thought maybe that brought her down to a playable level. I was so wrong... Viva le Dreamer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythewing Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 so he not only gets his health back but body parts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gensuke626 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Actually...since Pandora has Self Loathing and not Obey, and Self Loathing says to select a Melee weapon that the target has and inflict a damage flip using that weapon, wouldn't that be different from McMourning attacking himself via Obey. He wouldn't get to use his triggers since there is no CB involved and it's not a Melee attack, it's just a damage flip using his melee weapon's damage, so he wouldn't be able to use organ donor since it's one of McMourning's abilities and not a property of the weapon itself...At least that's the way I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I believe Organ Donor works as it's not may but when this model does an attack. There is no attack flip so no duel total is created to get triggers off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippieshopper Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I believe Organ Donor works as it's not may but when this model does an attack. There is no attack flip so no duel total is created to get triggers off. Yeah it says when this model does damage with a melee attack, heal it an equal number of Wd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gensuke626 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I believe Organ Donor works as it's not may but when this model does an attack. There is no attack flip so no duel total is created to get triggers off. Well, Organ Donor says that it works "When this model inflicts damage with a melee attack..." And since Self Loathing is a spell with no Ranged or Melee symbol I hesitate to call it a melee attack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Well, Organ Donor says that it works "When this model inflicts damage with a melee attack..." And since Self Loathing is a spell with no Ranged or Melee symbol I hesitate to call it a melee attack... however the weapon inflicting the damage has got the melee symbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gensuke626 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 however the weapon inflicting the damage has got the melee symbol I see what you're saying but I don't agree that simply possessing the melee symbol on the weapon is enough to constitute a Melee attack when it is used to damage an enemy via Self Loathing. Something about that sentiment simply rings false to me. None the less I can not back up my position with evidence greater than what you have presented and Kaelthos has already ruled in favor of Organ Donor activating when Self Loathing is cast. I withdraw my objection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltheos Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) No. I read Zoraida in there, not Pandora. Sorry. The damage McMourning inflicts on himself with Self Loathing is NOT a melee attack: "Target suffers a Damage Flip with that weapon that receives a ." That is not a melee attack. Self-Loathing takes the damage a melee weapon causes and inflicts it, but the Spell nor the damage infliction should be considered a melee attack. Edited January 12, 2011 by Keltheos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gensuke626 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 No. I read Zoraida in there, not Pandora. Sorry. The damage McMourning inflicts on himself with Self Loathing is NOT a melee attack: "Target suffers a Damage Flip with that weapon that receives a ." That is not a melee attack. Self-Loathing takes the damage a melee weapon causes and inflicts it, but the Spell nor the damage infliction should be considered a melee attack. wow...I was right... also I just noticed that I misspelt your name. Sorry Keltheos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltheos Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 As long as you don't spell it "jerk" I don't mind. Only Nerdelemental's allowed to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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