poulpox Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Hello again! Another question: I unbury LCB next to a Daydream. LCB has to activate immediately however I want to companion him to the Daydream next to him. Now do I have to do LCB first or could I activate the companioned Daydream before? I guess immediately forces LCB to go first, but thoughts? Also would this be then a correct activation sequence of dreamer + 1 daydream: 1. dreamer activates and companions daydream A 2. dreamer unburies LCB and a new daydream ( 3. LCB activates and companion the daydream B 4. daydream B activates 5. daydream A activates Am I getting this right? Thanks for all your help!! Thomas the new LCB on the block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I think thats how it would work out... but I'm not 100% on it. I would think "immediatly" forces LCB to activate next over-riding companion, so yeah I agree with your assessment I just can't say if it's 100% correct... but it seems to be >.>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 That's the way I play it. This question's been asked before, and last time I checked there hadn't been an official RM ruling on how un-burying The Dreamer / LCB interacts with companion. My best guess would be to play it that way, as new effects generally take precedence over old ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I guess also we can explain it as the new companion being played simultaneously with the immediate LCB activation, and therefore taking precedence to the first companion calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyDani3l Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Huh. I guess you could technically do this... Needs ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alondir Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 was there ever any ruling on say the family companion chains killing the dreamer, would LCB activate b4 the next family member?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltheos Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Correct in both counts. LCB Unburies and activates immediately. Since his Daydream Companion (B in your example) is tied to his activation it must resolve before the Daydream A would. Likewise, his Unbury would interrupt an activation chain like the Ortega's. He would show up, tear some new ones, then the rest of the Companioned Ortegas would finish their activations (or you would continue with the active Ortega if they had AP left). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alondir Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Omg thats AWSOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (or you would continue with the active Ortega if they had AP left). Very intresting that he activates in the middle of another models activation. I was under the idea that he would just activate before any other activations from things such as companion. Activating in the middle of another model activation sounds like It could get complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltheos Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 It can add a layer, sure. But keep to the basics and you should be okay. And, hopefully he wrecks whatever he's facing so it won't create an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 He'll interrupt another models activation? O_o Wow. Hadn't expected that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Any one got some insight on how these would play out? Model kills dreamer and hits a trigger that goes off after doing damage. Would the trigger go before or after chomp comes in to play. If desolation engine kills dreamer or a dream and landds the desolate warping trigger? Being as both require the model to be dead who triggers first? If chomp does come in first and kills the model with the trigger would it stop the trigger as the model is dead? Mounted combat Would chomp act in the middle of the current action and then finish the push? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 WOW. I've not seen that ruling before. I'd always read 'immediately' as at the end of the current models activation. So I can now; Daydream A Casts Frightening Dream - Unbury ChompyChompy rips new onesDaydream A (0) actions to bury Chompy, replaces with the dreamer.Dreamer activates and does whateverDaydream A uses its final action.Or: Enemy model X kills a daydream with its last action,The daydream unburys Chompy as it dies.Chompy activates immediately and rips face.We return to enemy model X's activation, which then ends.I activate another model.That really changes things, and makes The Dreamer even more powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Wow intresting now that you say it. You can bring out chomp and put chomp away with the same daydream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 This is pretty awesome indeed, I too was playing LCB's activation only when the current activating model was done. It will create more fear in how the opponent approaches us! @ Mythicfox: yes your 1st example is rather important as it means you could use only a single daydream to unbury and rebury LCB saving the other 1 or 2 for support business, that changes nicely the dynamics! EDIT: hehe tadaka you beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) That's how I'm reading Keltheos' ruling. Another one play comes to mind;Dreamer Activates, and casts Frightening Dream triggering All My Friends, unburying Chompy and a DayDream.Chompy Activates companioning the DD.Chompy goes nutsDD activates and buries Chompy, replacing him with The Dreamer.Play returns to The Dreamer and he continues his activation.Not sure if that one works because The Dreamer leaves play during the sequence. It will however stop me unburying chompy with a Daydream and then replacing chompy with The Dreamer before Chompy activates. Edited January 4, 2011 by mythicFOX SPAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Working as intended I guess. Sounds like you could activate chomp or dreamer in the middle of the other models activation. So not sure why this would not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) Correct in both counts. LCB Unburies and activates immediately. Since his Daydream Companion (B in your example) is tied to his activation it must resolve before the Daydream A would. Likewise, his Unbury would interrupt an activation chain like the Ortega's. He would show up, tear some new ones, then the rest of the Companioned Ortegas would finish their activations (or you would continue with the active Ortega if they had AP left). O.o wow that is a new precedent. That's going to be nasty... *watches as other rules interactions explode*. I don't think anything interrupted other models activations with an entirely different models activation before. This seems wrong to me.... I mean woo hoo for LCB being even more dangerous but... it doesn't seem right.. Edited January 4, 2011 by karn987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alondir Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 just 1 thing i didn't, now u could use another models triggers through magical extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 just 1 thing i didn't, now u could use another models triggers through magical extension What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alondir Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 What? opps my bad miss read, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Glad it's not me. I just wasn't sure what you were on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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