do you use francisco?

[pancake ss]

I find that more than not I leave him out, I replace him before any other family member.

I find the other ortegas better than him. And if the crew needs to adapt to games he go's.

What do you guys think?

[Borthcollective]

Replace Papa with Gunslinger, run interference with Francisco. He's so worth his points.

[nilus]

He is also a perfect target for a triple obey. You can move him twice then charge and then activate and flurry. He is actually a good deal for 5 stones.

[pancake ss]

The tripple obey is a good idea with flurry.

[dgraz]

In a word YES. Obviously the other's are better, he's the cheapest. But IMO a very solid 5ss. He just needs to be played right. I use him as a counter attacker. Throw him out in front and he quickly goes away.

[nightgaunt98c]

dgraz has it right. He is at his best supporting the others. He's not a melee monster, but he is good at it. But he's not tough, so he can't lead the way, he brings up ther rear and bats cleanup. I've found him to be useful to backup Perdita.

[Gremlin Swarm]

He's a bit of a glass cannon, but he's also a good jack 'o trades. He shoots pretty good, and he melees pretty good.

As already said, he's good for backing up other models. (I once had him blowing away Ice Pillars almost as fast as they went up, clearing the way for my other models.)

[TimeLapse]

for 5ss he is worth it, the family member that is most likey taken out of my list is actualy santiago. I have yet to have a game where santiago earned his points. He in fact goes out and tends to eather die or get charged and he is useless in melee IMHO. He needs gunfighter like no other to be worth his ponts, in fact the gunslinger IMHO is ten times better.

-Andrew

[dgraz]

for 5ss he is worth it, the family member that is most likey taken out of my list is actualy santiago. I have yet to have a game where santiago earned his points. He in fact goes out and tends to eather die or get charged and he is useless in melee IMHO. He needs gunfighter like no other to be worth his ponts, in fact the gunslinger IMHO is ten times better.

-Andrew

Funny - differing play styles. When I play Perdita, Nino and Santiago are auto-includes then I build my crew around that and I never even consider the Gunslinger in a Perdita crew.

Santiago almost always earns his points and more for me. Well-timed use of Rapid Fire is the key. Took Killjoy down to 1 wound in one turn once and burned away all of Lilliths SS once - quickly followed by Perdita blowing her away.

[pancake ss]

Yeh santiago allways does me proud, and he gets better the more wounds he takes.

[daemonkin]

Would very rarely use either Santiago or Francisco. While the starter box for the Ortegas is good I find with the more options I have open to me the less I am inclined to take family members.

Currently running some guard and the Judge with 'Dita.

D.

[Lord Shaper]

I've started using Francisco with my Lady J crew. Running him behind marshals who take the initial charge so Francisco, Judge and Lady J.

for the 5ss he's worth it to add an extra bit of CC to the field and he can shoot along the way with the best of them!

[Stockholm]

dude, franc is a bad man for 5 pts. true, he's just 6 wounds and df 5 but he's a bad man in melee and better than fair at ranged. i use him in all my crews, save for with my witch hunters.

[Jonas Albrecht]

He's my favorite character, I use him. I have yet to be disappointed in him mechanically.