Archanist Toolbox totem proxy?

[kbdrand]

Anyone have any good ideas for a mini that can be used for the new Archnist toolbox (don't have the book in front of me but it's either Toolbok or Toolbot, not sure which).

I'd prefer a new mini that looks something like it rather than using an existing mini if possible.

[Bellygrub]

The little Halfjacks from Warmachine (they come with Darius) could make a good stand in. You can bit one out for 3$. Shipping on the other hand....

I'm just going off the name of the totem. I don't remember the art and I don't have my book nearby.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Bellygrub

[kbdrand]

Hmm, those do look kind of close. Too bad the entire model set is so expensive. Maybe I just need to pick it up and start playing Warmachine.

[The Madman]

Check the INFINITY line many of the factions have mini droids and are quite cheap

Tannhouser has a single unit named Ramerez, a bomb expert fellow who comes with a droid counterpart called "Hound" that could be used as a stand in

[bigstupidfighter]

Haven't found an appropriately sized mini, but I think Gir from Invader Zim would be a hilarious stand-in. In robot form of course.

[AvatarForm]

OK... +1 for WarMachine proxys.

Here are some I thought of when this was suggested, even though I do not have the book, I will allow those that do to pass judgement based upon the concept art/rules.

Cygnar - Solo - Squire:

Khador - Warcasters - Old With of Khador and Scrapjack:

Mercenaries - Warcaster - Gorten Grundback (Battlegroup, 3 smaller jacks):

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warcasters/gorten-grundback-battlegroup

Alternatively, if you do not wish to invest heavily into WM, the Grundback Mercs also have 2 packs of Gunners and Blasters:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warjacks/grundback-blasters

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warjacks/grundback-gunners

The Cygnar Squire is my pick based upon looks and would sit well with Ramos' spiders. The Scrapjack is very steampunk (boiler and chimney floos).

The others are also suitable size, however, Im unsure on the concept art.

Enjoy!

Edited September 16, 2010 by AvatarForm

[ispep]

Might be able to steampunk these guys up. If not they are still kinda cool.

[GreenRiveter]

Well, since the inclusion of the Mobile Toolkit nullifies any chance Ill ever take the Brass Arachnid again, I'll be using it as a proxy. I do plan on buying the actual model when it comes out, but until then I'll get what use I can from a now defunct model.

[brucemanning]

That what I was going to do, kinda makes the BA a bit redundant.

[AvatarForm]

For those without the RP expansion, why does the BA become redundant? I dont believe Wyrd would deliberately do that to such a popular mini.

[kbdrand]

The new toolkit has an ability that gives a model an extra tome to it's CA stat, which gives Ramos double tomes, which means Surge will fire with every single cast of any spell.

[AvatarForm]

So they boosted him but cuddled the crap outta Sorrows... why would wyrd deliberately make minis redundant with the new rules?

Or is this a failure of the beta testers?

[GreenRiveter]

So they boosted him but cuddled the crap outta Sorrows... why would wyrd deliberately make minis redundant with the new rules?

They released a new mini rather than re-write Ramos or the BA.

After seeing all that C. Hoffman can do, I wish they would have just re-written Ramos. For such a key player in the fluff, he seemed a bit lack-luster in game.

They do have a new minion called the Large Arachnid that looks suspiciously like a BA, saw and all(on a 40mm base). So you can still use the model. But as far as rules go, if you want Ramos to be as effective as possible, I can't see taking the BA over the mobile tool kit.

Power Creep has always been an issue in games, and having to re-write whole characters can cause more problems than solutions. The MTK and Ramo's ability to use the new Guild constructs is an uncomplicated solution.

[AvatarForm]

They released a new mini rather than re-write Ramos or the BA.

After seeing all that C. Hoffman can do, I wish they would have just re-written Ramos. For such a key player in the fluff, he seemed a bit lack-luster in game.

They do have a new minion called the Large Arachnid that looks suspiciously like a BA, saw and all(on a 40mm base). So you can still use the model. But as far as rules go, if you want Ramos to be as effective as possible, I can't see taking the BA over the mobile tool kit.

Power Creep has always been an issue in games, and having to re-write whole characters can cause more problems than solutions. The MTK and Ramo's ability to use the new Guild constructs is an uncomplicated solution.

This explains alot. Thanks.

Im still a bit iffy on the expansion so soon after the Core Rules... some new players are still learning and now will need to double their intake, which is a bit excessive for newbies, considering getting your head around the activation and game system is enough in itself.

[Werecat]

This explains alot. Thanks.

Im still a bit iffy on the expansion so soon after the Core Rules... some new players are still learning and now will need to double their intake, which is a bit excessive for newbies, considering getting your head around the activation and game system is enough in itself.

1 year is plenty of time for an expansion. That's how PP does it, and it works great. Besides, there were some balance issues that needed to be addressed, and the new book did that wonderfully. And people need new toys, or they get bored.

There are ALWAYS going to be new players coming in. You can't put of an expansion just for new players.

[Werecat]

OK... +1 for WarMachine proxys.

Here are some I thought of when this was suggested, even though I do not have the book, I will allow those that do to pass judgement based upon the concept art/rules.

Cygnar - Solo - Squire:

Khador - Warcasters - Old With of Khador and Scrapjack:

Mercenaries - Warcaster - Gorten Grundback (Battlegroup, 3 smaller jacks):

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries

/warcasters/gorten-grundback-battlegroup

Alternatively, if you do not wish to invest heavily into WM, the Grundback Mercs also have 2 packs of Gunners and Blasters:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warjacks/grundback-blasters

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warjacks/grundback-gunners

The Cygnar Squire is my pick based upon looks and would sit well with Ramos' spiders. The Scrapjack is very steampunk (boiler and chimney floos).

The others are also suitable size, however, Im unsure on the concept art.

Enjoy!

Just FYI, the squire is the only one of those models that is on a 30mm base. Everything else is on 40mm.

[AvatarForm]

Just FYI, the squire is the only one of those models that is on a 30mm base. Everything else is on 40mm.

Thanks for the head's up... though on the tabletop they look like they could fit on 30mm bases... its all about how you do you basing.

[Omenbringer]

Or is this a failure of the beta testers?

You should be a bit more careful (and considerate) with criticisms against volunteer playtesters, a lot of us put a substantial amount of effort and time into the development and playtesting of the Rising Powers releases.

[Werecat]

You should be a bit more careful (and considerate) with criticisms against volunteer playtesters, a lot of us put a substantial amount of effort and time into the development and playtesting of the Rising Powers releases.

If you're going to be a playtester, you probably shouldn't let your feelings get hurt so easily.

[AvatarForm]

Whaaaaaaaaa!.

Dude, if you failed at something or failed to notice something in testing, you screwed the game for everyone and there are continuous errata to look forward to due to this.

My comments still stand.

[cerealkiller195]

Though mistakes can happen during play testing, no game is perfect. Time is also a big factor sometimes things aren't sufficiently play tested because there is a moment if a game/expansion doesn't get released in the time the company may miss their big opportunity. You forget it's a business and maybe if they took longer play testing yeah they might of fixed all the "problems" but would the company have survived that long without some quick cash with the release?

[Omenbringer]

If you're going to be a playtester, you probably shouldn't let your feelings get hurt so easily.

Believe me my skin is thick and my feelings are definately not hurt, meerly pointing out that it is always easy to criticize when looking from the outside and after the fact.

Dude, if you failed at something or failed to notice something in testing, you screwed the game for everyone and there are continuous errata to look forward to due to this.

My comments still stand.

Like I said you should be careful with your statements, people can tell a lot about you by what you have posted. How do you know these things weren't brought up or discussed (argued)?

My recomendation is to join up for the next playtest so you can lend your opinions to the mix and help shape the game. There should be an announcement for it coming up soon.

[Werecat]

Believe me my skin is thick and my feelings are definately not hurt, meerly pointing out that it is always easy to criticize when looking from the outside and after the fact.

Now that's an entirely different matter, and I agree with you entirely. But a word of caution derived from experience:

1) no matter how hard you try, you're going to miss stuff.

2) no matter how close you get to perfect you get, people are still going to bitch and and say you suck.

All I know is that if I was a play tester, I certainly wouldn't broadcast it

But for the record, I think you guys did a bang up job, for the most part. I think a lot of the fundamental imbalances from book one where patched up quite nicely.

[Rob_Jedi]

how about this funny looking robot for the toolbox?

[Harvest Ranger]

Jeeves from Reaper, I'm using him as a Mobile Toolkit proxy myself. Just had to cut down the arms and legs. As is he's taller then Ramos.