Sabertooth Cerberus Three-headed

[River Song]

Ok so Cerberus has Three-Headed, costs 2 ap to use.

In using the 2 ap that leaves it with 0 ap for anything else.

So Three-headed gives 2 additional melee strikes... meaning it gets 2 attacks, just as if it had not spent those 2 ap to begin with.

Isn't this a very high ap cost for 1 extra melee strike?

If I am reading this wrong tell me.

Shouldn't this be 3 Melee strikes as per 3 heads?

Or should this have been 1 ap for 1 extra melee strike? Even this makes no sense.

Edited March 2, 2010 by River Song

[dgraz]

You are reading it wrong. Its +2, not costing 2. It means he has melee expert x2. TWO additional attacks in melee.

[Hapless Peon]

Actually the way I believe it is used and the way I use it is that it gives you 2 additional melee strikes so you could charge (2) and then make two subsequent strikes.

It is written a (+2) Three Headed. So it gives you 2 extra specific AP while you are above half health. It's kind of like being (+2) Melee Master for when you have 4+ wounds.

(I don't have my rulebook with me at work so I may be incorrect on some points - Plus I'm no Rules Marshal)

[River Song]

Actually the way I believe it is used and the way I use it is that it gives you 2 additional melee strikes so you could charge (2) and then make two subsequent strikes.

It is written a (+2) Three Headed. So it gives you 2 extra specific AP while you are above half health. It's kind of like being (+2) Melee Master for when you have 4+ wounds.

(I don't have my rulebook with me at work so I may be incorrect on some points - Plus I'm no Rules Marshal)

Ok so it is worded oddly.

So this is +2 attacks not costs +2 actions. Should this be on the ability bar not action bar since Melee expert/master is on the ability bar?

[Hapless Peon]

This is probably true but I guess it differs due to the fact that the Cerberus loses the ability once it drops beneath half health. Whereas an ability would be permanent.

[River Song]

This is probably true but I guess it differs due to the fact that the Cerberus loses the ability once it drops beneath half health. Whereas an ability would be permanent.

HeHe you said ABILITY not ACTION.

I rest my case.

[goblyn13]

Anything that grants or takes away actions goes under the action selection, look at fast, reckless, or any other ability that grants you additional actions.

[Hapless Peon]

HeHe you said ABILITY not ACTION.

I rest my case.

I wasn't aware we were in disagreement and I am sorry I have used the wrong word (typing in haste). I think you are deliberately trying to pick holes in the game instead of seeing the intention of the Three-Headed rule.

As Goblyn13 says this placement of the (+2) is consistent with Fast et al.

[DangerousBeans]

I don't really see why there's confusion over this, the wording's pretty clear:

"this model may make two additional melee strikes......blah blah blah"

if it was an action it would be something like:

"this model immediately makes two melee strikes, however you could do that anyway so just ignore this rule"

[River Song]

I wasn't aware we were in disagreement and I am sorry I have used the wrong word (typing in haste). I think you are deliberately trying to pick holes in the game instead of seeing the intention of the Three-Headed rule.

As Goblyn13 says this placement of the (+2) is consistent with Fast et al.

Sorry wasn't trying to pick holes nor a fight.

I have not played this character yet but will and I wanted to get the terms correct.

As I am new and I do not have familiarity with terms on all the figures I was not understanding the wording.

I read it as an action because it fell under the action bar. Yes it has a diminishing return but I still consider this ability just that an ability not an action that I choose to use.

Why would anyone not take 3 attacks per say. Some might as to not take repercussion damage.

I do see things like +1 Melee/Casting Master under Actions and do not understand why it is there. Other then it is a "action" yet really an ability of the character. Like Harmless, or Evasive. Each of these are not triggered per say other then Cerberus loses its if under half life.

And I understand they need to put these "Actions" someplace.

Nickpicking, I hope not. Just grabbing the rules as fast as I can as I am limited in how many games I can play.

Very well. This ACTION gives the Cerberus +2 attacks unless...

There is always "2" sides to a story, Yours, Mine and the Correct.

[River Song]

I don't really see why there's confusion over this, the wording's pretty clear:

"this model may make two additional melee strikes......blah blah blah"

if it was an action it would be something like:

"this model immediately makes two melee strikes, however you could do that anyway so just ignore this rule"

It was the +2 in front of the Term I was confusing as a cost not a benefit like melee master.

Considering these terms are described under Common "ABILITIES" List on page72/73

[goblyn13]

This thread is done. The question was answered and now serves no further purpose.