whitewash city

[streetsamurai]

http://www.pen-paper.net/artgallery/EricHotz/EricHotzModels/whitewasha.jpg.html

has anyone ever tried this

if so, is it in scale with malifaux models.

does it gives good results

thanks

[blkdymnd]

I found that a bit ago and was wondering the same thing.

[CrazyBones]

Very interesting. Seems like it should work.

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

The packaging claims 30mm. Malifaux is 32mm. Looks like a winner to me!

[streetsamurai]

there's a demo available, i'll probably make it in the next few days, and i'll tell you with i think

[AoM]

I'm trying to avoid too much overly western scenery, and WWC is definitely wild west style. It's not the best cardstock terrain out there, but it's definitely not the worst by any stretch.

[paperbag4]

My buddy's making a Western table with them, he rescaled them to print them on foamboard (or I think that's what he said). Hopefully they come out with something a little bit more Charles Dickens looking soon.

[Keltheos]

Yeah, you can rescale them. I have a few wWC buildings, and find they work as well as any other terrain. The base sizes make the models a bit bigger, but most of Malifaux's figs are thinner than other 'dramatic' 32mm proportions. One nice thing with WWC is that each building file comes wiith an interior floorplan file, so you can actually go inside the building and duke it out with walls/doors/etc laid out.

Worldworks Games Shellendrake Manor and the Graveyard are 2 excellent paper terrain sets for Malifaux. Shellendrake could easily fit somewhere in the Slums or QZ, or be found out in the wilds somewhere, while everyone needs a graveyard.

Their upcoming Himmelvale streets/canals/sewers sets look picked whole cloth out of what I've had a mental image of for Malifaux.

[Pensfan]

I have some of the PDFs from back when a friend and I were playing Legends of the Old West, think wild west themed Mordheim, and the buildings were a bit small for 28-30mm figs. You can scale them up a bit as Kel mentioned and they would work nicely I think.

However, "out of the box", they are going to be a bit small.

[Kealios]

Ive always had a phobia about paper terrain. I think I view it, in my mind, as unstable and "temporary", as in just not long lasting. So I make my own terrain, following solid methods as seen on sites such as Terragenesis, etc.

Which also means I finish about one piece of terrain a year.

How do you find paper terrain to hold up, and keep its usability? I agree it can look good - but if it doesnt last, Im not sure its worth it.

[Jestor]

I have used the Worldworks games stuff and it holds up pretty well. The main thing for me was really spending the time to get it right. My first couple of projects looked like junk but, after I got the hang of scoring the carboard (I use heavy heavy wieght paper, the heaviest you can get at Staples) and making straight lines without taking off several digits it comes out ok. It is not as nice as real terrain but the price is great.

Between buying the terrain packs and the paper I made two full tables of terrain (which got tossed inadvertantly *cry*) that looked decent for under 60 bucks.

I have seen people do the foamcore board and it looks much much better but takes much longer.

Shane's tip of the day - Watch out what glue you use. Research it from the guys who do this all the time. Some glues (like regular glue sticks) can make your five hour project look like a kindergartener did it

[gregdorf]

Paper terrain can be very strong and stable, it is all dependent on how it is designed. I would suggest using cover weight paper and do not make it too heavy of a paper weight. If you use a paper that is too thick it will crack and break at places where you score and fold it. I would suggest an 80lb matte cover.

Worldworks stuff is not bad in my opinion, but they use only the most basic of tabs which can make things much more complicated and awkward for the average person that is following their steps. their columns from the manor is prime example of this.

[greyseerco]

Several things I have learned from making World Works terrain is

1) Use the right glue, their forum at Worldworks has a whole thread on the right glue to buy (one with the right water content is key)

2) For models that I expect alot of play, mounting the model on Matte Board (dickblick.com sells it), the same stuff they frame pictures with, has given them great strength without the hassel of foarm core board.

My first concern with WWC is the interior maps, if they all have the 1" grid on them, it sure makes it easy to know if that charge is going to work or not.

[Jestor]

All of the stuff I bought from them had a grid or no grid pack with them *shrug* if something you bought from them only has the grid let them know. They are pretty good about listening to customer feedback so they may come out with a new one for it and remove the grid

[Keltheos]

Gatorboard/matteboard is the best way to get durability out of paper terrain. It's pretty sturdy if built correctly as stated above, but mounting it on foamcore/matteboard or even the right cardboard takes it to durable immediately.

[nilus]

I've tried paper terrain a few times and durability is not a problem. I find the big things is it takes more time then you expect to get right and it eats ink really quick. As far as companies go, I like Worldworks stuff(kinda sad that Wormhole support has kinda dried up, it was a cool idea for a spaceship game) and Fat Dragon. They both make pretty straightforward paper terrain.

[Keltheos]

There's also some decent 2d paper terrain out there for folks who want to travel with terrain, and/or don't have the storage space for big collections. I brought some with me to Indy for quick Mal games and it worked out pretty well. Laminated Cardstock FTW.

[Pensfan]

Link for that Kel? Could be interesting for games "on the road", impromptu demos, etc

[Keltheos]

Here's some links: some free, some not, quality varies...and check to see if they come with/without grids. As mentioned above, some kits don't come gridless...

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=17500 (SJ Games forum has a list of links to other sites)

http://www.rpgnow.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=terrain&quicksearch=1&search_filter=0_2210_0_0&filters=0_2210_0_0&search_free=&search_in_description=1&search_in_author=1&search_in_artist=1

http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?filters=0_0_2730_0

(be sure to check scales)

http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=464&filters=0_2210_0_0&

Also, Your Move Games makes a 2d terrain kit for their 'card unit' based game, Battleground. The scale's a bit funky, but it does have forests/rivers with fords/etc. http://www.yourmovegames.com/pages/accessory_products.html (with a downloadable free sample)

And, anything by SkeletonKey Ed rocks: http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=80 His warscapes were terrain themed specifically for TTGs, but he's only done 2 kits.

Mostly for 15mm/20mm, but do have some 28/32mm stuff: http://www.paperterrain.com/

http://www.fantasycutouts.com/

http://www.tullisart.com/fdg0054.html

Sometimes, tracking down a good 3d set with good supporting tiles/shapes is the way to go. They might have a 3d building in the mix, but also some good 2d interiors/addons/bases to use.

http://www.yeoldeinn.com/tile-pages/ronshirtz-terrain.php in JPG format, I'm sure you computer-savy types could tweak these around to remove gridlines and adapt to your liking.

http://fauxtoys.com/tvag/075-buildings.html

[gregdorf]

For those that are interested in trying paper terrain from worldworks, it looks like they will be having a 20% off sale this weekend. If anyone is interested I can copy and paste the email if they would like.

[jmp_mydog]

If you're going to use the Whitewash City terrain you'll probably want to scale it up about 165%. I downloaded the sample piece and used it as a template to build a saloon. Here's a link to the WIP shots http://twilightemporium.net