New GW Washes

[v22TTC]

Just wondering if they're worth getting, and what they might offer that other methods don't. Needless to say, the GW staff think they're THE BEST THING EVER!!! but I don't consider that objective testimony....

I see Demonherald used them, in his Wyrd article, which obviously is a whole different matter and made me curious about them.

[EldinTux]

Sorry v22TTC I'm gonna hi-jack this thread for another question. I'm starting to get to the end of my last brown ink and will be looking for an alternative. I am considering using washes but I also want to kow what people think. How are they different? Also which is the best to replace the brown ink - bearing in mind I'm colour blind!

[Darklord]

i use the washes and i think they are definatley worth it, especially the devlan mud. i still use the inks for stuff as obviously they both provide different results. the washes dont really pool and best of all they are not shiney like the inks (which really used to annoy me!)

Guy to replace the brown ink with something GW then try the devlan mud (brown/black mix) or the gryphonne sepia (lighter brown wash) or watered down scorched brown would be a similar colour

[EldinTux]

Thanks DL, I'll probably try the Delvan Mud then - as to the shiny characteristic of inks sometime that can be a good thing, when I did a large wall plaque, The Green Man by the defunct Excelsior I use the brown ink for the eyes. I didn't need to gloss varnish it as the ink gave the eyes both that finish and depth. But for most of the mini's it can be a pain, but again watered down like paint the gloss disappears.

[Brushmistress]

I also use the new GW washes. Bought them on a whim, and I think they're great. They have a consistency that allows them to be "pulled" over a surface without leaving nasty pool lines.

[Peterdita]

I use that Delvan mud pretty frequently. I think its pretty keen. Sometimes I thin it sometimes I don't even bother, so for a lazy, painter like me, I think its great.

[THX_1138]

Over on TGN today there's an article about some new Coat D'Arms 'Super washes' which sound very similar to GW's washes.

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2008/11/13/19727

[Chameleon]

I bought them when the first came out and, although they took a little getting used to, I now think they're much better than the inks. In particular the Deval Mud, Ogryn Flesh and Badab Black are fab.

[R kid]

i also use GW washers i got them as soon as thay came out and tested them with rob and found them prity handy to water down other colour's with out lose'in any pigment and like brushmistress said thay dont pool........get the thumbs up from me..

[Bexley]

Devlan Mud is the best product GW has put out since the styrofoam Blood Bowl pitch. I go through gigantic amounts of it. I use it as a detail wash before I do any actual painting, so virtually every figure I paint now gets a complete wash of it.

[EldinTux]

OK OK I get the picture! I'm off to enter my Gyrocopter into the local comp today - I'll pick up a pot

[EldinTux]

OK back - and did you know the shop had 2 pots of brown ink - snapped them up AND a pot of Devian Mud too. I'll let you know how I get on.

[v22TTC]

EldinTux (or anyone else, for that matter): Consider any thread I start to be yours - I like threads that meander a bit: shows agile and creative minds.

Cheers for the info everyone - will get some when I go into town next week (which, being me, means I'll get them all...).

EDIT: Good luck with the Gyrocopter, by the way!

Edited November 14, 2008 by v22TTC

[EldinTux]

Thanks & thanks.:You_Rock_

[green stuff]

Sorry for this slight threadomancy, but although I love the final effect of these new washes, I do have one warning to give : don't wait too long before using them once on the pallet. Mine tend to turn to a gel before drying completely which can be tricky to use and create rougher blends.

Anybody else encounter this effect?

[EldinTux]

Thanks for the warning.

BTW I won the fantasy section of the comp.

[green stuff]

Congrats .

[v22TTC]

BTW I won the fantasy section of the comp.

Good stuff!

[thewartoad]

Yes, inks are so shiny and pool up in certain areas and it's just annoying and time consuming to fix! You guys got me interested enough to go and buy some this weekend and give it a whirl! Thanks and Cheers!

Edited November 22, 2008 by thewartoad

[Muskie]

The new washes are aimed at speed painting rank and file. That said since GW doesn't make inks or washes or even glazes anymore they will become popular. I still like the original GW inks particularly "Rust Brown" don't know what I'll do when that runs out, but it has lasted over 15 years... give or take.

You're seeing a lot of base coat + wash and done. Personally I think it pays to do at least one highlight maybe two, even for bulk rank and file, but where the new washes may be of interest to the top of the line painters, and where I see the Heavy Metal guys using it, is not using red on red, or brown on brown but rather adding a little purple or green to another shade to give it character and complexity. But basically I think they are aimed at the base coat + slather crowd.

Coat d'Arms interests me, but I think the new GW washes were aimed almost to compete with the dips that are being sold.

I've actually moved more towards making my own washes prior to their release and I still paint a lot out of the pot which is how I think the washes are designed, not to be thinned, just put on heavily.

Cheers,