Four_N_Six Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Was just checking over the Malifaux Musings for the new Neverborn models. It mentions the Will O' Wisp (screaming meat sac) as being a Swampfiend, which means McTavish has a lot to say about them, and Zoraida can bring them in as a gremlin master. For anyone not caring enough about Neverborn to know what they are, here's just a quick summary of what they do. Paraphrased from Malifaux Musings. Rare 3 spirit, swampfiend minions. Any model that fails a WP duel within 3” of them lets them place a scheme marker in base to base with the enemy. Attack action: "The Wisp’s Call", a ranged spell that places a condition on the target which forces them to take walk actions toward the wisp with one of their AP and prevents charging. They also have a tactical action to use a (2) action off of another Neverborn model within 10” for (1) AP. I don't have the book, so if anyone can confirm, I'd like a confirmation. The article specifically says they copy a tactical (2) from another Neverborn and use it for (1) AP. Is that accurate as Neverborn only, or is it friendly and they just typed it up as Neverborn because they didn't immediately think of Zoraida playing with them with pigs? I'm hoping it's just friendly models, because I'd like to consider the possible things in Gremlin they could copy, giving me some more use with Zoraida as a greenskin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Sadly it's neverborn only... 1ap Feed the piggies is just too good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinJ Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 They can create voodoo dolls for Zoraida which is honestly a pretty decent buff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yeah, does she still count as Neverborn when running as Gremlins? I tend to run as Gremlins as she's my only Neverborn master. A ~17-18" max range Voodoo Doll summon and extended Hem threat range is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Izzinatah said: Yeah, does she still count as Neverborn when running as Gremlins? I tend to run as Gremlins as she's my only Neverborn master. A ~17-18" max range Voodoo Doll summon and extended Hem threat range is amazing. She does count as Neverborn, yes. (You can't take Lazarus with TT if your Master is McCabe since he is also Guild and this would be a similar case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Thanks! I'm quite excited about these. I love the Voodoo Doll shenanigans, but they require a lot of positioning with Zoraida and take up two of her AP. Offloading that to these guys will be great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four_N_Six Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm not sure they're the most effective hire in a gremlin list of their ability only works on neverborn. That being said, I'm assuming they're cheap enough to where it's not breaking the soulstone bank to toss one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well, they'll only every be hired in Gremlin lists if you're running Zoraida with Tarot Reading, in which case I think they bring a lot. (2) abilities as a (1), a 'lure' tactical action and any enemy Obeyed within 3" of them also drops a scheme marker! I have another rules question: Can they use (2) abilities from upgrades? Zoraida has some good ones. Edit: found the answer, yes they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 09/08/2016 at 4:18 PM, Izzinatah said: Well, they'll only every be hired in Gremlin lists if you're running Zoraida with Tarot Reading, in which case I think they bring a lot. (2) abilities as a (1), a 'lure' tactical action and any enemy Obeyed within 3" of them also drops a scheme marker! I have another rules question: Can they use (2) abilities from upgrades? Zoraida has some good ones. Edit: found the answer, yes they can Is this limited offer just tactical actions though? So they can summon the voodoo doll and use fickle winds, or can they use the other (2) actions on other upgrades as they don't specify tactical or attack? Thanks -:0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Just Tactical actions, and limited to Friendly Neverborn models too. There's barely a handful you can use, especially in Gremlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je ne c'est LaCroix Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So it precludes (2) Raven Form? It is listed just as an 'Action' (does not specify Tactical Action) - but is Raven considered an Attack Action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Yeah this is why I'm confused as it just says "action" on the upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Check the Errata'd Upgrades for Zoraida, both Raven Form and The Fickle Winds of Fate are Tactical Actions now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmantra Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Any action that doesn't require an opposed duel is a tactical action. The headings on the cards/upgrades are helpful reminders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four_N_Six Posted November 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Not a ton of use for us, but definitely something that would be completely unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 This has just made me very happyou indeed lol thank you. Now to find suitable models that fit my crew theme mwahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je ne c'est LaCroix Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 A Raven WillO could make for a useful 20" roadbump, engaging a sniper or breaking a slingshot But a Voodoo summon/Hem + a second WillO summon/Hem + a summoned Voodoo Hem = three goes at Hemming, must eventually get through anyway and removing high defence cards along the way - must be a beautiful, beautiful thing. So my new ambition - one turn - Z summons Voodoo + Hem. Z Hex damage, Merris burns it. WillO summons, Voodoo Hems a second model, Iggy burns it. Voodoo activates, Hems to a third model, something punches it + burning damage end of turn from previous Iggy. Three models damaged/dead. Is this just a beautiful dream? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Ooo sounds nasty! the burning would be really nasty on 3 models. evil even lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 16 minutes ago, Je ne c'est LaCroix said: A Raven WillO could make for a useful 20" roadbump, engaging a sniper or breaking a slingshot But a Voodoo summon/Hem + a second WillO summon/Hem + a summoned Voodoo Hem = three goes at Hemming, must eventually get through anyway and removing high defence cards along the way - must be a beautiful, beautiful thing. So my new ambition - one turn - Z summons Voodoo + Hem. Z Hex damage, Merris burns it. WillO summons, Voodoo Hems a second model, Iggy burns it. Voodoo activates, Hems to a third model, something punches it + burning damage end of turn from previous Iggy. Three models damaged/dead. Is this just a beautiful dream? Wisps limit the Action they copy to Once per Turn and only by that Wisp. And a model cannot be targeted by the copy action more than once per turn (so you can't copy several (2)Actions from the same model during a turn). Also, Merris can't burn friendlies so that doesn't work, either (her attack is enemy models only). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmantra Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 My use of resummoning for a second hem would be to try to paralyse two enemies in a turn, one using a nurse and then one with the emissary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je ne c'est LaCroix Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, Math Mathonwy said: Wisps limit the Action they copy to Once per Turn and only by that model. (1) Ever Changing Form: Target a friendly Neverborn model within 10". Take a (2) Tactical Action printed on the target's stat card or one of its Upgrades. This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation. A single model may only be targeted by Ever Changing Form once per Turn. I think here you refer to 'This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation.' - so your read is that the (2) action can only be taken once per turn? But could it be that it's that Ever Changing Form action can only be taken once per turn? Because my read would be that 'This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation' is there to stop Zoraida obeying the Ever Changing Form for a (1) voodoo summon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Ah that spoils the super burn lol Never mind. Mmm yeah paralysing 2 models could be really strong especially for you can out activate themy also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je ne c'est LaCroix Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dogmantra said: My use of resummoning for a second hem would be to try to paralyse two enemies in a turn, one using a nurse and then one with the emissary. An excellent use indeed... but this does not preclude a bit of additional burning fun as an aside.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPigish Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'm new to zoraida so can I ask if the voodoo doll has a condition on it before it hems a target does the target gain the condition? and can the wisp target the doll with its you can't charge you must walk towards me condition to then give it the hem target too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, Je ne c'est LaCroix said: (1) Ever Changing Form: Target a friendly Neverborn model within 10". Take a (2) Tactical Action printed on the target's stat card or one of its Upgrades. This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation. A single model may only be targeted by Ever Changing Form once per Turn. I think here you refer to 'This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation.' - so your read is that the (2) action can only be taken once per turn? But could it be that it's that Ever Changing Form action can only be taken once per turn? Because my read would be that 'This Action may only be taken once per Turn and only during this model's Activation' is there to stop Zoraida obeying the Ever Changing Form for a (1) voodoo summon? Hmmm, yeah, I believe you are correct. I think that one could read it as I did but your interpretation seems more likely (and makes more sense). But still, doesn't that last part preclude you from Summoning multiple times with the Wisps so you only get two Doll Summons (one from a Wisp, one from Mama Z)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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