CaerSidis Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 One short Question here. When i try Bigger Hat on Dreamer, can he redirect this attack and the whole effekt to one of his minions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 well he could, but since they share a hand, it doesn't really matter if the attack effect happens to a nearby nightmare rather than dreamer, he will still discard his whole hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaerSidis Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Okey then i have a longer question: I had understood "Biger Hat" that i can target one Miniature, win the WP Duel and my oponent has to discard his hand Cards. My Oponent and another player ruled it, that i have to target Dreamer, because the leader lose the cards and so i can only target the Dreamer with this Attack. So the next Round i targed Dreamer and now the player redirect the attack to a Minion and they both ruled that stil nothing happen with the Chards because the Dreamer ist stil not afected. So are both exampels wrong? Can i target any target, win the Duel and Biger Hat gonna happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, Adran said: well he could, but since they share a hand, it doesn't really matter if the attack effect happens to a nearby nightmare rather than dreamer, he will still discard his whole hand. But the wording is actually "This model and the target enemy Leader model discard all cards" - I could see it argued that it fizzles since the target isn't a Leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 At the time you check for targets, it was a leader. Just because the target got shifted after that stage it doesn't stop the effect happening. From the FAQ 8) Q: The Dreamer’s Safe In My Bed Trigger allows a Nightmare to suffer the effects of an Attack Action as if it had been the target. Does the Nightmare need to be a valid target of the Attack? Does the Dreamer still suffer the effects of the Attack? How does this work with Attack Triggers that cause more Actions such as Onslaught? A: The Dreamer will not suffer the effects as the Nightmare is doing so instead. The Nightmare does not need to be a valid target of the Attack. If the Attack Triggers additional Attacks which must be made “against the same target” (such as with Onslaught) then the Nightmare will be the target of those Attacks. If the Nightmare is not a valid target for additional Attacks, they may not be made. EDIT You have to make the attack against Target Enemy Leader (in biggest hats case). . When you declare the action it must be against a valid target, so meeting any requirements of the attack, in range and line of sight (as required). If the defender has some ability to change the target, and it doesn't specify that they need to still be a legal target, then thats fine. If nothing causes the Target legality to be re-checked, you carry on with the duel. The most common target redirection is randomisation into engagement, where it is stated that the new target does not need line of sight or even be in range of the initial attack, it can still be a target. Abilities like Butterfly jump require the target requirements to check again, (although because range and/or LOS may now fail). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaerSidis Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Okey so my friends are right with their ruling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, CaerSidis said: Okey so my friends are right with their ruling? As per the FAQ, no. If the Bigger Hat gets redirected, the Dreamer player still discards her hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 They were right with the first one. Biggest hat has to target an enemy leader. I believe they were wrong with the second one, because Safe in my bed doesn't require re-checking targetting requirements. So as long as you targeted the dreamer, is doesn't matter if after the duel he moved it to a different model, they still suffer the effects of the attack. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaerSidis Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Thanx to all of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelrodin Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 On 3/2/2016 at 9:33 AM, Math Mathonwy said: Oh, and welcome to the best Faction qft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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