Erik1978 Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 I was told that when you shoot (pistol icon) into cover, it would give you a -flip on to hit (soft cover) and -flip on both to hit and damage with hard cover. Other models don't count as cover, only the terrain? I was also convinced that Ca actions didn't get this penaly and could even pick out a guy who was engaged without randomizing, then I read Kaeris "Flaming Halo" Ca attack which ends with "This attack ignores cover". So now... the confusion is total. When do models get cover from Ca actions and what about randomizing in a swirling melee? Can anyone take me through it? As a bonus I can tell you about today's game where a stitched together uses that weird trick and puts 7 damage on Kaeris who has 5 wounds left. I damage prevent and flip the red joker, (which meant she died in turn 3 instead of turn 2) and the following turn Willy throws a red joker stick of dynamite in Teddy's face. Victory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 When it has the it takes the cover into account as well as randomizes into combat unless stated otherwise. If it's a Ca attack, see Lure for example. It doesn't randomize and it doesn't mind about cover. It's the that's the main point here. Kaeris' Flaming Halo has that which means it randomizes in combat but ignores cover because it states so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 zFiend is right. It doesn't matter if you have a Ml, Sh, or Ca attack, if it has the icon, it is affected by cover. Similary, all attacks can't be made when you are engaged, even if they are Ca actions. If they lack such a icon, feel free to use those in engagements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Im still waiting for Ml Rocket Fists!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Im still waiting for Ml Rocket Fists!!!!! Gremlin Survivors in the Wave 3 beta can have this. (With "This thing can shoot?") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Im still waiting for Ml in a faction Im willing to play! Rocket Fists!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik1978 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Aaah okay the icon is more important than if it's Ca or Sh. That makes sense. Thanks guys. Oh, another question, in the same game I had a Gunsmith, who can get ++flips in all duels against burning targets. "All Duels" is that also damage flip, or only the Sh attack vs Df "duel"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Damage flip isn't a duel, it's a result of a duel. So no plus flips there. If he shoots something that has Burning and has for example Terrifying he'd get the flips to that Terrifying and the Sh vs Df duel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik1978 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Thought as much. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 No worries. Ask away if you have anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lo Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 We're a very helpful bunch, and talkative too. Seriously, go ahead and ask an On Damage/On Success/Before Death trigger question! ... and I just learned all the symbols are hiding in the smiley face menu. Go me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Go Bob! flip away like there is no tomorrow! away you beautiful thing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik1978 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 If my Gunsmith is standing 1" from some barrels and want to shoot over the barrels at some (evil) wicked doll who is out in the open, does that doll gain soft/hard cover? What if the Gunsmith is 4" away from the barrels, and the wicked doll is too? (But the barrels are between them) Also, Kaeris ignores terrain when she moves I assume that means she takes damage like everyone else if she activates in hazardous terrain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Correct on the second one. Cover is applied when the TARGET is within 1" of terrain with the Cover trait AND a LoS is tracked through said terrain. Where the attacker stands is unimportant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik1978 Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Great, thanks. Oh, two more popped up, you will tire of me eventually: If a model has on Ml attacks will it then have this bonus on disengaging strikes? Also, if Leveticus is targeted by a disengaging strike that does not succeed and Leveticus triggers his Df "Unmade" to damage the attacker, will the attacker take damage or is this damage cancelled because no triggers are allowed? It says a disengaging strike can't declare triggers, but can the defender still do so or does it only apply to the model attacking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Yes, the will work on disengaging strikes. I'm of the opinion that the defender can still get triggers, as they are not making a disengaging strike. But there will be people who disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binkys Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Yes, the will work on disengaging strikes. I'm of the opinion that the defender can still get triggers, as they are not making a disengaging strike. But there will be people who disagree. Per the FAQ: Q: Can a model defending against a Disengaging Strike declare Triggers? A: No. Neither model may declare any Triggers during a Disengaging Strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Per the FAQ:Q: Can a model defending against a Disengaging Strike declare Triggers?A: No. Neither model may declare any Triggers during a Disengaging Strike.Well there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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