Collodi's 'Idle hands' and 'Shrug off'

[Jimbobovalsocks]

I'm sure I know the answer but this came up in a recent game and i thought I'd check with you all what you think. Can you use shrug off to remove idle hands before the Collodi player gets to spend your first AP or does your opponent get to spend the AP as soon as you activate, before you can do a (0) action? I've played it that Collodi gets to spend an AP as soon as you activate (so before you can use shrug off) rather than being able to get a (0) action off and Collodi then spending the first AP. Thanks!

[zFiend]

I believe you have played it correctly.

[Mister Shine]

Idle Hands is immediately. The first thing you do on that model's activation. Can't shrug it off. Feel free to use a witchling stalker though.

[Jimbobovalsocks]

Yes, I'll be taking some next time I play against Collodi! Idle hands is a pain in the arse! I was fairly certain but wishing I was wrong!!! Thanks for the replies

[zFiend]

It is a pain for sure.

[Jimbobovalsocks]

Yep! He used idle hands to make Nino walk off the top of a building and kill himself! Also used idle hands to walk Perdita over to Teddy which then killed her! 

[zFiend]

Yep! He used idle hands to make Nino walk off the top of a building and kill himself! Also used idle hands to walk Perdita over to Teddy which then killed her! 

 

Ouch, that sounds painful. Collodi is pretty bad from what I've read lately.

[Dirial]

Ouch, that sounds painful.

 

Sympathy for a Guild player, zFiend? I never thought I'd see the day.

[Jimbobovalsocks]

Yes, Collodi can be nasty. His weakness is that his crew tends to want to bunch up so they are vulnerable to blasts and lose some of their synergy if they have to spread out for Strats or schemes. His little Marrionette things are horrible with hard to kill and they aren't insignificant. 

[zFiend]

Sympathy for a Guild player, zFiend? I never thought I'd see the day.

 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

[Mister Shine]

Oh... yeah, we're all here for hating on Collodi, yup. Thats why I showed up too, fellow Guild guys.

 

*whistles*

[Dirial]

Oh... yeah, we're all here for hating on Collodi, yup. Thats why I showed up too, fellow Guild guys.

 

*whistles*

 

[Mister Shine]

[zFiend]

Hahahahaaha. Amazing.

[asrian]

Yep! He used idle hands to make Nino walk off the top of a building and kill himself! Also used idle hands to walk Perdita over to Teddy which then killed her! 

Caveat - Collodi > Guild.

But, more to the point, Collodi's Pull the Strings attack cannot trigger My Bidding or Idle Hands on a Leader (i.e. Perdita). It can only use the Twist Threads trigger on Leaders (slow). Just FYI for future games. 

[Jimbobovalsocks]

Damn! Thanks man! I think he was also playing it that it only needed one Mask (inbuilt) to get the trigger as he got it on every attack! The last game we had, I thrashed him with Sonnia but this game was equally one-sided! Perdita is not the master for Reconnoiter, Protect erritory and Power ritual. She doesn't have the speed or the model count and her crew needs to bunch up to work properly!