Smother?

[Astrella]

So smother can give models activating near the Alps slow, but is the slow applied before the model receives AP?

 

E.g. If a model with slow activate near an Alp, does it receive slow again and thus damage or not?

 

Edit. Okay, rechecked some things, as I understand it this is how it goes: Model activates. Alp test triggers. Can't receive slow because still has slow. Generate 1 less ap. End of activation lose slow?

[Ausplosions]

Correct. Conditions only stack if they are +"X".

Slow does not stack.

[The Godlyness]

The condition is still applied for things like feed on dreams. So if you attack a model twice and make it slow twice Feed on dreams would proc twice. So yes it does not stack but it is applied and having a bunch of alps swarming a single model makes that model dead quickly.

[Astrella]

Does it? Cause the rules say that if you receive a second instance it's just not applied. 

[Nagash1959]

I think what he means is a model surrounded by alps would take multiple damage pops fro the one that gave it Slow. Then the slow model activates, clears out the Slow condition and gets hit again by another Alp, reapplying the condition and taking the damage again.

[Ausplosions]

I think what he means is a model surrounded by alps would take multiple damage pops fro the one that gave it Slow. Then the slow model activates, clears out the Slow condition and gets hit again by another Alp, reapplying the condition and taking the damage again.

 

 

Which is wrong.

[Astrella]

I thought slow didn't get cleared until the model ended it's activation?

[Dracomax]

I think it was supposed to be something like this:

 

Alp puts slow down, does damage.

Slowed model activates. loses slow.

Alp2 activates, puts slow down, does damage.

[The Godlyness]

Maybe I am thinking of 1.5 still. Where even if they had the condition like slow it was still applied for abilities but did not do stack. I must have missed in the rule book where it said it is not applied can I get a reference and a quote?

[The Godlyness]

Also feed on dreams would proc for every alp within range if that model gained slow. Non slow model next to 2 alps gains slow would take 2 damage. That I am sure on. It's Misery for slow.

[Astrella]

Pg 52 in the big rulebook, the bit about conditions reads the following in the second paragraph: "Conditions presented without a value in their name do not stack, and a model that would get a second instance of a Condition simply ignores it (the second instance is not applied)."

[Dracomax]

That being said, I think that getting fast still negates slow, so if slow is applied after that, it would still work. So if you have some way to remove slow, or add fast to the enemy, you could presumably get it off several times per round.

[sharpobjects]

I have a few questions about Smother with regards to the following examples;

 

 

When a model is summoned it "gains" the slow condition. An enemy model that "recieves" the slow condition within 3 inches of an Alp takes a point of damage. If an enemy model is summoned and placed within 3 inches of an Alp does it take a point of damage? (Assume Seamus summoned a Belle)

 

A model that already has the slow condition when it activates generates one less AP. This enemy model is within 3 inches of an Alp and must take a TN 12 Wp duel or recieve slow. The model already has the slow condition and according to the rules that condition is not removed until the end of its activation. If the model fails the TN 12 Wp duel it cant recieve slow again so basically nothing happens?

[HalcyonSeraph]

Good question about the summoned model. I don't have the book in front of me for the timing on when a summoned model gains Slow.

 

The second one you are correct, though. If you have slow and activate near an Alp, you can't gain slow again until after your activation is over, so you still have to make the duel (and flip the cards) but can't gain slow either way and thus won't take damage. 

[Ausplosions]

I would say yes to both.

A summoned model would take a wound and an already slow model would take the test but have no consequences.

[sharpobjects]

I would say yes to both.

A summoned model would take a wound and an already slow model would take the test but have no consequences.

 

ok sounds good. Thats how I will would play it as well.