Magic Dave Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 How does it work when a red joker gets flipped as part of a neg flip. Do you have to use the red joker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Joel Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 On a negative flip you usually use the lowest card flipped. If you flip the red joker as part of a negative flip you can choose to use it instead - but you are not forced to do so. If you flip the black joker, as part of any flip (positive, negative or straight), even one including the red joker, then you get no choice - the black joker must be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PZN Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Jep, if you flip a red Joker in a dmg flip for example. You are allowed to choose the joker and deal Sever + additional Card dmg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thaarup Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 You may use the red joker but you don´t have to. Page 25/26 (in the 1.5 rulebook). EDIT: Ninja´ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Magic Dave Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Cheers, I had it come up in a demo game I was giving to some friends. I have misplaced my new rulebook so had to go off the old one. I knew that black jokers had to be used when flipped but the wording was not so clear for the red on weather it had to be use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Serigala Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I had a Red Joker come up in an unusual situation in a tournament on Sunday. I was shooting in to a combat, with Misaki, in combat with aKirai and a Punk Zombie. The rules state the model with the lowest value flip is the one targetted. Misaki flips a 10, Punk Zombie flips a 12, then aKirai flips a 5, 8 and Red Joker. We played that the Red Joker trumps the others giving aKirai the highest card and forcing me to cheat the ranged attack so as not to harm Misaki. If choosing to use the Red Joker is optional did we play this wrong? It would have turned the game completely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Sarsnick Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I've actually seen the concept of the Red Joker/Black Jokers being considered when changing defensives/offensives in a way that would seem counter-intuitive. For example, if the Red Joker is still in the deck and there is no Black Joker (either in your hand or already used for this turn) then even if you are Even on the damage, you just might want to cheat the Attack total down to get a :-fate if you don't have anything higher than a Weak in your hand. There is a good chance a three cards on the Damage flip will pull a Red Joker than just an even flip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guardian Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think you played it wrong. In this case, for targeting its pretty simple. Since AKirai flips 3 cards she is 3x more likely to get hit. You just see which is the lowest card and thats it. You dont have to choose one out of those three as a valid one, so rj doesnt trump anything here. No point in that. Atleast, thats my reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Serigala Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think you played it wrong. In this case, for targeting its pretty simple. Since AKirai flips 3 cards she is 3x more likely to get hit. You just see which is the lowest card and thats it. You dont have to choose one out of those three as a valid one, so rj doesnt trump anything here. No point in that. Atleast, thats my reasoning. We queried it with a couple of henchmen, but I could quite believe that is the case. However the rule of common sense doesn't apply in the case of the Red Joker. It trumps on a -ve flip and I could equally believe that the RAW suggest that it would also do so in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guardian Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 We queried it with a couple of henchmen, but I could quite believe that is the case. However the rule of common sense doesn't apply in the case of the Red Joker. It trumps on a -ve flip and I could equally believe that the RAW suggest that it would also do so in this case. I see your point. But then again, look at the black jocker initiative flip... you can reflip that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 A RJ is a 14. It doesnt Trump anything in relation to shooting into melee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Serigala Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I see your point. But then again, look at the black jocker initiative flip... you can reflip that. Can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 notmikehill Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Can you? Yes you can. You reflip the starting duel total using a soulstone. You're not cheating fate, as it is a reflip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 WookieeGunner Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 You can also spend a soul stone to flip and add if you are currently showing the Black Joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PZN Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 You can also spend a soul stone to flip and add if you are currently showing the Black Joker. knew everything till this point that's new for me but it make sense, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Serigala Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Can you? Yes you can. You reflip the starting duel total using a soulstone. You're not cheating fate, as it is a reflip. Yes. I knew that!! Just wasn't thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ArcticPangolin Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 A RJ is a 14. It doesnt Trump anything in relation to shooting into melee. And a BJ is a 0. Firing into a melee, that's whose arse is getting shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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How does it work when a red joker gets flipped as part of a neg flip. Do you have to use the red joker?
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