96p Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Can you be engaged with an enemy that you have no LoS to ? Through a wall or through obscuring terrain ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Darios Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 in case of lilith: jup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dgraz Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 You need LoS to be engaged unless the model has a special rule....like Lilith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 96p Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 You need LoS to be engaged unless the model has a special rule....like Lilith. where do you get that knowledge from ? I think it should be this way but as long as I have no proof I have nothing in hand to convince my gaming group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dgraz Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Well, I'll admit that I'm extrapolating a little. There isn't anything I can find that specifically says it but; Under Declaring Targets (RM, pg 14) it says; to declare a target the first thing to check is LoS....(then goes on to talk about abilities that hinder or ignore LoS), if there is no LoS then there is no legal target. You can't strike a model you can't target....a disengaging strike is still a strike, so if you can't make a strike or a disengaging strike how can you be engaged? Someone will bring up that some models ignore disengaging strikes...blah, blah.....that is a special ability that ignores the strike, not being engaged. If the people asking still don't accept this (unless someone can point you to something I couldn't find) I'm afraid you'll just have to insist that the people asking use a little common sense. No target, no engagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Hateful Darkblack Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe you need to be able to target to engage, and you need LoS to be able to target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 96p Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 beeing engaged without beeing targetable would still hinder you from shooting or enable you to get shot via firing into melee. I did hope to get a badge ruling to stop exploit of this ruling^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rameses Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I was under the impression that "as long as you are within a models melee range" you were engaged. LoS or No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mach_5 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 That is what the rule says, even if it doesn't make logical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SW_Neverborn04 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Mach_5 is right. Sometimes the wording makes no logical sense. This is where you'd want to make some house rules given the terrain features. In the case of Lilith, with her ignore LoS and terrain, where she can actually attack through walls, you could allow her to do so, but at the same time, since she can see through walls and terrain, and is a living model, still make her suceptible to terryfying or other effects (like need to pass a WP greater duel to make her strike) which terrain could or would block on standard models as she can see through the terrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I know in the Spirit Clarification we ruled that you tested for disengagement when a Spirit left LoS. So I believe this is the case across the board. Which suggests you need LoS to be engaged. I'll discuss with Kel and get a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Darios Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I'll discuss with Kel and get a definitive answer. this would be highly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PZN Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Got the same problem with aSeamus last Sunday. Looking forward for ur answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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