Seamus - The face of death

[Turbodog]

Quick, easy one...

Seamus has a model 3" from him. He spends a 1 action to cast "the face of death" which is a 4" aura that says "terrifying-->14. This replaces this models terrifying--> 12 ability".

Does the enemy model at 3" immediately do a WP check for suddenly being in the terrifying area? Or does it not check until it activates while within the aura (or both?).

Also if a model within 1" already passed Seamus' terrifying -->12 before he activates, does it need to recheck again (at the higher terrifying --> 14 value) if Seamus casts this spell later that turn?

[Tokaji]

1) Unless otherwise noted, Terrifying checks are only ever taken at the start of a model's activation.

2) No it does not, the source hasn't changed, just the level of terrifying.

[Fading Memory]

1)

2) No it does not, the source hasn't changed, just the level of terrifying.

The Answer is Yes....

A model that has passed a terrifying check does not need to remake another test unless the model leaves the terrifying range, or the terrifying number changes. This works if the terrifying number increases or decreases.

So if Model-A moves close to Seamus so it can attack, but it needs to make a Terrifying 12 duel. Next turn Seamus casts The Face of Death making his Terrifying a 14. Model-A activates and now must pass a Terrifying 14 duel. At the end of the turn Seamus's Terrifying is now back at 12. On the following turn Model-A activates and now must pass a Terrifying 12 duel.

[Tokaji]

Do you have a reference for that? No mention of that exception in the rulebook....

[Kadeton]

It's in the Terrifying section on p. 57 - when Seamus casts his spell, his Terrifying -> 12 effect ends, and a Terrifying -> 14 effect begins. Since it's a different effect, models have to test again. The same thing occurs when it goes away.

[Turbodog]

Just to clarify for point #1...

The model was not in terrifying effect's range (1" melee for Seamus)

Seamus casts The Face of Death, which in addition to increasing his terrifying number, has the range of Aura 4.

The model is now suddenly within the aura of a terrifying effect.

But this is not what bullet point #3 is talking about on page 57 of the rule book where a model must take the check if it is "entering a terrifying effects range and do not have flight or float ability" - so there is no check made when the spell is cast?

Just trying to clarify.

-Turbodog

[Tokaji]

The way that I had interpreted #2 was the terrifying is increased to 14, so it's not ending and beginning. Missed the replace clause. Still not 100% sure that's exactly how it works though.

As for your question, my interpretation would be that the model isn't entering the aura, as it isn't active. Generally if a Terrifying effect has an immediate action required of it, it will actually say as much. The model would take a test when it activated, as it is activating in range of the aura - provided it was activating in the same turn and after the spell was successfully cast.

Edited October 14, 2012 by Tokaji

[Fading Memory]

It's in the Terrifying section on p. 57 - when Seamus casts his spell, his Terrifying -> 12 effect ends, and a Terrifying -> 14 effect begins. Since it's a different effect, models have to test again. The same thing occurs when it goes away.

Here's the link to the Rule Kadeton and I expressed, although Kadeton's was a more technical response.

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?25459-Sandwich-s-Seamus-Twisting-Fates-Review!&p=320769#post320769