Obscuring

[Cretin555]

Here's a question about obscuring as it relates to Kaeris. When she cast Flame Wall can opponent see through it to cast spell or shoot? The rules state that you cannot see completely through a base. Is the Flame Wall marker a base? Is there no hindrance other than Neg. flip for shooting (or spell with a gun), Or can you see only 3 inches (FW is 50mm or approx. 2 in) from start of Flame wall (except special characters)?

[Lucidicide]

The flame wall will block LoS from one side to another.

[Grifonetto]

The flame wall will block LoS from one side to another.

Yep, just checked Rules Manual p. 15 -- "Models can draw LoS up to 3" across an intervening base with the obscuring trait, but not entirely through the base". Wish I'd known that yesterday, it probably would have meant four points instead of zero in my game against Leveticus.

[Pagan Wolfe]

Hmmmm...good question. I suppose that would also stop models with the HUNTER ability that allows them to shoot 5 inches through obscuring...as they STILL can't shoot entirely through the base.

Same deal...last night I think my Female Gunsmith wouldn't have copped two massive shots from Rami. Mind you he suffered Dumb luck trigger twice and killed himself...gunsmith survived thanks to Hard to Kill...LOL

[Lucidicide]

Yeah. Hunter helps you see into obscuring, not through it.

And on a side note, as I recall, Hunter lets you see further into obscuring terrain. An aura from a model isn't terrain, and thus Hunter doesn't help there.

[Cretin555]

Thanks all. Now here's the argument. Why not state that it blocks LoS? Is there any reason for the obscuring rule on Flame Wall?

[Mach_5]

There's no need to state it blocks LoS, the obscuring trait already does that.

[ravenborne]

Is there anything that restricts a model from entering a flame wall? If not, then you could see into the pillar and see a model.

[Mach_5]

You could stand in the pillar and see out of it, sure, but you're taking damage for being in there.

[ravenborne]

That means you can push/lure people into it to damage them. I think there is a new Arcanist model in book 4 that does some sort of movement shenanigans.

In any case, that would seem to be the answer to the question, models can be inside the flame wall so it needs to be defined as obscuring.

[TroyPerez]

Obcuring terrain question. If your shooting from withing obscuring terrain does it count as shooting into it for soft cover for the model your trying to h it?

[nilus]

Obcuring terrain question. If your shooting from withing obscuring terrain does it count as shooting into it for soft cover for the model your trying to h it?

Nope

[TroyPerez]

What if the target you were shooting at from within a forest obscuring terrain was within one inch of the forest? They would get it then? Or not?

[The Godlyness]

No because you are within 1" of the cover they are trying to claim from.

[TroyPerez]

So the way cover with forest works just to make sure i'm getting it correct. If your in the forest and getting shot from the outside you get cover. If your inside of the forest shooting outside of the forest your target doesn't get cover. If your both inside of the forest shooting each other do you both get cover or do neither of you get cover?