Spiku Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 A crew for my faithful manservant is suggesting, because it lets her use her Miss Pack model: Ressurectionists Crew - 35 - Scrap Dr. Douglas McMourning -- 7 Pool + McMourning, Avatar of Athanasia [2ss] Zombie Chihuahua [1ss] Bête Noire [9ss] Canine Remains [2ss] Canine Remains [2ss] Canine Remains [2ss] Canine Remains [2ss] Canine Remains [2ss] McTavish [7ss] Nurse [5ss] Yes or no? Though she'd like to have had Rafkin in there in place of some of the remains because she likes the model; I suspect he will have relegated to Nicodem lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Looks like something of the kind that we discussed on IRC the other night. I like it, aside from the fact that it feels a bit spammy with the canines. On the other hand, you often actually play with 1-2 less canines than your actual list since they end up as BPC... Do note that while juicing up Bete makes her for one hell of a nasty girl, I'll admit I, personall, did feel sort of cheap when I did it (added with her 0 action and defensive stance...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 It is only off by one model as I recall, compared to the IRC discussion! That said, the first time she used bete with a nurse, she juiced her, forgot she was fast, used the card she meant to save for burying her earlier in the turn, and then killed her on the second activation =3 Edit: Did I recommend Molly to you? Can't recall. Would probably be good for making things faster and getting some belles in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I would suggest swapping a dog for a desperate merc because they are great for the nurse to cast massive dose on. Especially since their own ability kills them at the end of the turn as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Desperate mercs have to sacrifice themselves/get sacrificed from dose; thus not dropping a corpse counter. What is the merit of dosing them over dosing McTavish, who can (0) Shrug Off the sacrifice effect of the dose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 We did discuss some Molly, but the poor gal always seems to draw the short straw when it comes to trimming time... One problem I can see with this list is that the nurse has a very short range, so might have trouble when it's time to (optimally) juice both McTavish and McM in the same turn. Bete's sort of done from turn one, of course. The thought of a juiced up hillbilly sniper forcing the enemy forward towards McM is a nice one, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 What you have to ask yourself, is that 11 points + the investment in cards and activations to pull off the combo, worth 11 points? Imho the answer is no unless you have a very specific job for it, or you have ways to make more use out of the Nurse which this list doesnt really have (and no, dog missiles is not a valid use!) Tell you who is epic with a Nurse... Sue. Being able to do these in the same turn: Sue activates, Walk, Hurt, Disrupt Magic Sue activates, Walk, Circle/Tread/SSI, Shrug Off Is pretty damn good. It lets him actually position himself for his positional effects, and use multiple of them, as well as use Hurt (his best ability) all in the same turn. If you're running Sue and an Avatar with your master, I think the two of them is enough to warrant the investment in Nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Isn't it 12 points? I can't help but feel McTavish is going to get more out of Miss Pack, as where Sue will march off to do his effects, McTavish can sit at range doing his with Miss Pack close to him and making use of attendant/bedside manner. It also means if you have a reasonable mask you can be putting more on to the Rogue Necromancy; Miss Pack casting on 6's anyway, though tavish needs a 7+ of masks for anything on rogue necromancy Sue dashing off 12" in one turn, with auras up is nifty mind you; but Miss Pack is never going to get that off again without 2 turns of movement at least. 14" threat range from that aura, however, is McTavish's single shot range; which could be 4 ap worth of shots if you want to include a movement each time? 10+ of tomes also required to get that sexy bonus circle damage I'm struggling to see how Sue is going to make as much use out of it as McTavish would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I'm struggling to see how Sue is going to make as much use out of it as McTavish would I'm suggesting Apples to your Oranges I'm saying that I'm not convinced that a 12 point investment for the Tavish/Nurse combat package is worthwhile, but I am more sold on the 13 point Sue/Nurse card draw/area denial/buff package. Not that it's bad or anything, I just think there's better, less combo-ey options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The most important thing here, is that both she and I like the Sue model, and I will be picking it up when I expand into Viks. So I suspect the thing to do is try one, then the other, and decide then/change as need be ;3 Certainly extra cards are delicious; just need some instinctual on McMourning to keep the lad fresh. Can you use Sue's last wound to Hurt if you have cannot be killed on him? I assume not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Can you use Sue's last wound to Hurt if you have cannot be killed on him? I assume not Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattyted Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 If you're running Sue and an Avatar with your master, I think the two of them is enough to warrant the investment in Nurse. You can't run Sue with a crew that includes avatar McMourning though, on account he has wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 You can't run Sue with a crew that includes avatar McMourning though, on account he has wicked. I dont think that's actually the case, at least not the way his ability is written. Although I wasnt exactly considering unreleased models in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattyted Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I dont think that's actually the case, at least not the way his ability is written. Although I wasnt exactly considering unreleased models in this Can you explain how that would work as play both Seamus and McM and would love to be able to field Sue. Both their avatars have wicked and Sue's Man in black states that he can't be hired by any crew containing 1 or more models with ruthless and/or wicked? Appreciate that the avatar does not start on the table but surely it is a part of the crew in same way as bete noire or killjoy, in that you pay points for it. Edit -found the answer! And both Seamus and McMourning can hire Sue and bring out avatar! Hot D***!!!! Edited February 26, 2012 by tattyted correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Post a link on that edit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattyted Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?27253-Avatar-Seamus-McMourning-versus-Sue&highlight=man+in+black%2C+wicked%2C+avatars Basically since avatars are attached rather than hired they don't trigger the ability. Not sure that any other models currently have wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Didnt realise there was a ruling, but yeh, thats what I was getting at. Nice innit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yeah I asked Ratty about it as soon as I got book 3 ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattyted Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Didnt realise there was a ruling, but yeh, thats what I was getting at. Nice innit Yep, sweet . At first glance it seems counter -intuitive as IIRC there are only the three avatars that have wicked at the moment and it seems odd to specifically reference the ability and then have nothing affected by it (not that I am complaining). So Wyrd must have a long-term plan. Wonder what minion(s) in the future is going to have wicked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yep, sweet . At first glance it seems counter -intuitive as IIRC there are only the three avatars that have wicked at the moment and it seems odd to specifically reference the ability and then have nothing affected by it (not that I am complaining). So Wyrd must have a long-term plan. Wonder what minion(s) in the future is going to have wicked? There are plenty of Wicked models in the game... and plenty more Ruthless ones. Lots of stuff is affected by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Now I'm wondering how a list with Nurse + Sue + Desperate Merc + Avatar Seamus would do at the 35ss. Probably fill it out with Dead Rider + Rotten Belle to help move my people (especially my Nurse) around. Would probably just be a lulzy-gimicky list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattyted Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 well my recall is definitely dodgy - I firmly had it in my head that there were lots of ruthless models and only a few wicked ones. Did a little count: Ruthless; Von Schill Freikorps Trapper Convict Gunslinger Gunsmith Lazarus Hans Wicked; avatar Mcmourning avatarSeamus Shikome Lilith & avatar Lilith Lord Chompy mechanical rider Lilitu Think thats the lot, but given my track record so far there may be more of either. Somehow got it into my head that wicked was a fairly new ability as, unlike ruthless, wicked doesn't appear in the list of common abilities in the small rulebook and I don't cart the large ones round to games. Also, until book three, wicked was almost all neverborn and don't see much of them in my area. Might change my forum name from tattyted to Poohbear as Malifaux never ceases to surprise this bear of little brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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