Magical Extension and Obey

[Asphyxxious]

So something came up the other day in a 2v2 game we had. My opponents were playing Zoraida and Lilith. Would Zoraida be able to obey Lilith's totem to magical extension one of Lilith's spells? I am pretty sure that normally if you obey your opponents totem you can't magical extension right? But why not? Is it because they are an enemy model or is it because control of the totem has switched?

I would think that if it is because it is an enemy model then Zoraida could do what I said, but if it is because control has switched then Zoraida wouldn't be able to.

I never really do 2v2 so I hadn't ever thought of this before that game.

[magicpockets]

You can use obey to cast Magical Extension on an enemy model at any time, there is nothing precluding this as the master is still "connected" - it doesn't have to be friendly

[Asphyxxious]

Hmm interesting. That's good to hear. Once playing Zoraida I got LoS to conduit Rasputina's totem, which gave me amazing position to decembers curse killing 2 models. After the game someone told me I couldn't do that, and I felt bad because it was really brutal in that game. Although he didn't actually give me a good reason why it wouldn't work.. I just believed him because it seemed a little harsh

Thanks

[magicpockets]

Against Raspy cast Ice Pillars with her totem exactly where she wants to go. That'll lose you some friends

[tat2dbowler]

Is there an official ruling on this? If not can we get one, please?

[Keltheos]

Pockets has it. Obey Totems to your heart's content.

[Asphyxxious]

Awesome thanks

[M_Ruckuss]

Pockets has it. Obey Totems to your heart's content.

Always how it seemed to me- great way (situationally) to get off one of your opposing masters spells.

My only question is that magical extension states that the model may use a ss when casting their connected masters spell it. My question, therefore, (using the previous circumstances as an example) it can I use Zoraida to obey a wendigo or essence of power to use magical extension to cast decembers curse, and then use a ss (I would guess mine not his, as a) that is harsh and the model im obeying "counts as" friendly for duration of spell) to make the duel total higher?

Thanks, Mcdoogle

Edited December 13, 2011 by McDoogle

[JackRussel]

Well that makes me think if Zoriada or someone with obey brings her totem and you want to obey a model out of line of sight that the totem could see, could you make the totem obey someone for you?

[tat2dbowler]

Obey states it can only be cast once per activation. So, could you even cast obey to have your totem cast obey? Whose activation it is doesn't change.

[Kelle341]

I believe you can because your totem activating is separate from your master activating the Obey activates it allowing it to make a one action of its own so yes I believe but I may not have all the facts.

[Asphyxxious]

Pretty sure that's not what he's saying. If you obey your totem to obey the activation has not changed. So it would have been cast by 2 different models but still twice during the activation.

[Kelle341]

Pretty sure that's not what he's saying. If you obey your totem to obey the activation has not changed. So it would have been cast by 2 different models but still twice during the activation.

I apologise I missunderstood what he was asking

[magicpockets]

It was cleared up that obey is "once per model per activation" so yes you can obey a totem to cast obey (if you need the range for example). Also, as the totem hasn't activated, it can still cast obey in it's own activation as usual

[tat2dbowler]

Where does it say that? Just curious I like to read rules for myself

[magicpockets]

Where does it say that? Just curious I like to read rules for myself

It's pretty much Malifaux 101 - as the model isn't activated and being obeyed doesn't count as an activation, the "once per activation" limit doesn't apply. A search will throw up a lot of posts about this.

[Buhallin]

My search-fu is superior...

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