LokiDaTricksta Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 If I copy a weapon or a spell or whatever with the Doppleganger to I also copy any attached triggers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 ANy inbuilt weapon talents (such as the on Lady J's sword) but not triggers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megnc86 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Have you found a good use for Doppleganger? I like the model and the idea but I haven't found the soul stones for her in any list yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 If you play Pandora or if you have a spell so good, you really want to copy and spam it, Doppelganger is your model. If your opponent has such a spell, there's always a chance to make him taste his own medicine, though that would be Doppelganger's secondary role (after all, you can never be sure what your opponent decides to field). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96p Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Pandora + Doppelganger = Apocalypse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Pandora + Doppelganger = Apocalypse... Yeah, I've tabled so many people with this and a couple of sorrows. Makes beating my Hamelin crew look like a walk in the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Doppel can be worth it just for the negative flip for initiative. It's why she tends to be in my Lilith lists. Winning initiative followed by a Lilith and Twins alphastrike can decimate crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarragon Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Doppelganger can Mimic Unhealthy Relationship from Pandora, as well as Emotional Trauma. that means any Sorrows in B2B (read: linked) can use her (0) Mimic for even MORE Emotional Traumas! Pandora, Doppelganger and three sorrows, that's 5 Wds per willpower failed. PLUS the Sorrows keep Emotional Stress, so get within 3" and that ramps up to 8 Wds. I've never used it, but I toned it down a bit and used it in a tournament match, and it took down Collodi, Dead Rider and Mechanical Rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 ^^ Yup, pure brutality. Esp if you throw JackDaw in there to prevent them cheating/using soulstones and then send in Pandora & totem with incite, project emotions and dementia Also, DO NOT link the sorrows as the DG will be dead in a couple of turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowlf Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 ok if you mimic emotional turma i thought that it wouldnt stack as like other effects as its the same named power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbr_83 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I can't see how it wouldn't, as a Sorrow's Emotional Stress stacks... with DG mimicking Emotional Trauma, Panda and 3 Sorrows in range = 5 Wds per Wp loss :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarragon Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 ok if you mimic emotional turma i thought that it wouldnt stack as like other effects as its the same named power? I think it's an immediate effect, and they always stack or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowlf Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 yep just looked this up too and the doppelganger can mimic twice per tirn the way i read it. meaning she could mimic martyr so she wouldnt be taking wounds from the sorrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 No need to link the sorrows to the DG if you don't want to. And re stacki g it is because emotio al trauma is an Immediate effect not an ongoing effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowlf Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 cool yep just read the example in the rule book on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 ok if you mimic emotional turma i thought that it wouldnt stack as like other effects as its the same named power? This is only true for ongoing effects. Emotional Trauma is an Aura, but I think effect is immediate rather than ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbr_83 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Or DG can mimic Unhealthy Relationship... any Woe in b2b (link not needed)... The a Sorrow could mimic All things are possible when we accept Doppelganger into our hearts lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Hate Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 If the Doppelgange copies Zoraida's make Voodoo Doll, will it fizzle or kill Zoraidas Doll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphyxxious Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 If the Doppelgange copies Zoraida's make Voodoo Doll, will it fizzle or kill Zoraidas Doll? Neither. Can't be mimicked in the first place due to it referencing a model by name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Hate Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Neither. Can't be mimicked in the first place due to it referencing a model by name. Edit - Appears she does now have that limitation. Does this apply to the creation of Voodoo Doll tho since it isn't a model relationship. (2) Create Voodoo Doll: Summon 1 Voodoo Doll Totem. Immediately sacrifice any other Voodoo Doll Totems connected to this model. Edited December 20, 2011 by Kael Hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Hate Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Also, can Doppelganger copy Passage of time from Hooded rider Or how about Blinding Blade? Does the Passage choose a value even though the time has passed or will it copy the one you chose for the rider? If you have no Saber does Blinding Blade do nothing? or is Saber/Fists the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 "Voodoo Doll" is also a model's name, so the spell is referencing a model by name. This restriction is far wider than it would seem at first - for one it blocks most summoning spells. For example, you cannot Mimick McMourning's Monstrous Creation, but you can Mimick Nicodem's Reanimator. The spells similar to the later example, that give a blanket summon for minions with certain characteristic, are quite rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Also, can Doppelganger copy Passage of time from Hooded rider Or how about Blinding Blade? Does the Passage choose a value even though the time has passed or will it copy the one you chose for the rider? If you have no Saber does Blinding Blade do nothing? or is Saber/Fists the same thing? I was going to say Blinding Blade is a name of the effect, not an ability. It is an effect of Passage of time, but that suddenly got confusing to me. If it is an effect, and has no specified ending time, why doesn't it end in the Closing Phase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Hate Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 "Voodoo Doll" is also a model's name, so the spell is referencing a model by name. This restriction is far wider than it would seem at first - for one it blocks most summoning spells. For example, you cannot Mimick McMourning's Monstrous Creation, but you can Mimick Nicodem's Reanimator. The spells similar to the later example, that give a blanket summon for minions with certain characteristic, are quite rare. Can Understand that. How about ways to lockin a Copied ability. Does Hex on the Mimic ability after it is used mean it lasts forever? Can we get a bury effect from somewhere to mega-Talent the Doppelganger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I like using the Doppleganger with Zoraida to pump out up to 4 Obey's in a turn (1 from a Vodoo Doll, 1 from Zoraida who creates another, then one from the new Vodoo Doll, and finally one from the Doppleganger). Throw in Hamelin (the mercenary) and you can get another. Nothing like beating your opponent with his own stuff (unless of course he has a lot of Immune to Influence models). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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