Yet another Hunter question

[shakedown47]

I did a quick search on this, but being at work I don't have too much time to comb through other threads. My question is, Hunter allows a model to see "within and across 6" of obscuring terrain" (I may not have the wording exactly right...again, at work.) My question is regarding the "across" part of the phrase.

The rulebook states that a model can see 3" into or out of obscuring terrain, but cannot draw LOS completely across a piece of obscuring terrain. So my question is, when Hunter says that someone like Samael can draw LOS "...across 6"..." does that mean he can draw LOS completely through a piece of obscuring terrain, as long as at least one of those sight lines passes through 6" or less of the terrain? Thanks.

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

I did a quick search on this, but being at work I don't have too much time to comb through other threads. My question is, Hunter allows a model to see "within and across 6" of obscuring terrain" (I may not have the wording exactly right...again, at work.) My question is regarding the "across" part of the phrase.

The rulebook states that a model can see 3" into or out of obscuring terrain, but cannot draw LOS completely across a piece of obscuring terrain. So my question is, when Hunter says that someone like Samael can draw LOS "...across 6"..." does that mean he can draw LOS completely through a piece of obscuring terrain, as long as at least one of those sight lines passes through 6" or less of the terrain? Thanks.

No.

Hunter just increases the range of LoS into and out of terrain from 3" to 6" and it allows the model with Hunter to ignore Cover.

[Tograth]

Hans is currently the only model in the game that can see completely through obscuring terrain, as far as i can recall.

[Asphyxxious]

Hans is currently the only model in the game that can see completely through obscuring terrain, as far as i can recall.

Don't guild austringers ignore LOS?

[Adran]

Yes, guild austringers don't need line of sight to shoot, so they can shoot targets behind obscuring terrain, but they can't see through it, Hans can.

This might occasionally make a different

[Tograth]

As Adran said, austringers dont need line of sight - thats different from being able to see through

it means that Hans is actually really good at taking out things that might normally be hidden by talents such as Creepy Fog, Whiteout, or The Fog. Not only can he see through it (because they count as obscuring), he can also ignore it completely (due to one of his other abilities).

[Asphyxxious]

Sorry but I guess I am confused here.. if they ignore LOS entirely then why do they need to draw LOS through those abilities mentioned? I assumed ignoring LOS meant as long as you're in range it doesn't matter what's between you and your target since LOS is ignored. What exactly does ignoring LOS do if not what I thought?

[Lucidicide]

I think it's just a confusion in the wording.

If you don't need LoS, then nothing that effects LoS or effects caused by LoS matter. So obscuring terrain blocks LoS and provides cover.

What they are saying above is that there is a different between ignoring obscuring terrain and not needing LoS. There are different game factors that might effect these differently, and so they wanted to note that difference.

[Serigala]

Several abilities affect LOS, but they do not ignore LOS.

Hans has Goggles, which ignores any enemy spell affecting LOS.

He also has the more common ability Sniper, which ignores cover, obscuring terrain and intervening models when targetting ranged attacks.

So with Sniper, Hans can shoot through any distance of obscuring terrain, and can ignore things like Creepy Fog.

Hunter, is more common than Sniper, and ignores cover penalties and increases LOS into and within obscuring terrain from 3" (the norm) to 6". They do not change the rule that models can only draw LOS across a base of obscuring terrain up to 3". By the letter of the rules, even Hunter does not change this (it says into or within not across) but I think most players would allow a model with Hunter to draw LOS across obscuring terrain up to 6".

None of these abilities allow models to ignore LOS. They cannot target a model that is behind blocking terrain.

The Austringers weapon Bayou Raptor ignores cover modifiers and LOS.

Edited November 15, 2011 by Serigala
added Bayou Raptor info

[Asphyxxious]

Ok i think I get what you guys are saying. At first i thought you guys meant that the Guild Austringers ignoring LoS Wouldn't allow them to shoot at something more then 3" into obscuring terrain. I see where I got confused now. That's what i get for checking the forums on my phone at work >.<

[Adran]

For example if a model has line of sight to a cerberus, it can't use its Stalker ability. Models like Lileth will still draw line of sight through the terrain, where as the austringer won't. (For what its worth, Hans won't be able to see the cat in the closing phase to stop it either, as Sniper is only for targeting ranged attacks)

Hunter still doesn't let you see through obscuring terrain, so even a 1" piece of obscuring terrain will block line of sight for hunters.

Thats what Sniper does

[markeroot]

ok quick question with the austringers since they dont need LoS do they need measure all the way around a wall to see if they are in range or is it straight through a wall

[Headcase2]

Straight line, through the wall.