Checking on some rules interpretations

[Ferb]

Hi,

A few things came up in tonites game we weren't sure about:

1. The people I've been playing at the club say that if you flip a Black Joker that ends the models activation. As they've played many more games than me I've just accepted it. But I was playing someone new tonite and they said it didn't end the activation and I couldn't find anywhere in the rules that does say it ends activation. So does it just effectively end the action as its a zero or end the whole activation.

2. Can you cheat a damage prevention flip? On P48 in the Healing para it specifically says that you can't cheat a healing flip. But the damage prevention paragraph makes no mention of cheating being prohibited. As damage prevention is not a game effect that heals wounds (as they havn't happened yet) it would seem that you can cheat on the flip. Am I right?

3. If you are in melee and stay within the 1st models melee range can you move or be pushed so you that can melee a different model or do you have to keep attacking the 1st model?

Thanks,

Ferb

[nerdelemental]

1. They're playing it wrong. Nothing about the black joker ends a model's activation. You just have to live with the Black Joker. If a model has Use Soulstone, a stone can be burned to improve the result, too.

2. Nope. You get a flip and you live with the result.

3. Yes. It'll still cost a model an AP, of course. If the model leaves the melee range, it'll get a free strike against it, too.

[Ferb]

Thanks for the quick reply :-) That clears things up perfectly.

[Hookers]

Hi,

3. If you are in melee and stay within the 1st models melee range can you move or be pushed so you that can melee a different model or do you have to keep attacking the 1st model?

Thanks,

Ferb

Furthermore, if it's a push it will ignore the disengaging strikes, so you can go wherever you like (following the rules of whatever is pushing you such as directly towards, towards, to within, etc.)

[Q'iq'el]

A good rule for cheating is that only Duel flips can be cheated. Otherwise you need special permission for that - Mortimer's Exhumation flip or standard Damage flip all have that special clause in their rules - without it non-duel flips are not cheatable.

[Ferb]

Thanks for the follow ups, both really useful :-)

[Soundwave]

2. Nope. You get a flip and you live with the result.

Or die.

[Ferb]

One thing I forgot about damage prevention. The question came up a model with 4 Wds left that took 6 Dg and flipped to save 2 wounds. Does this mean the model dies because 6-2 is 4 and the model only had 4 wounds. Or that the model only takes 2 Wds because the 6 Dg could only convert to the 4 Wds the model had left and 4-2 is 2 Wds?

Thanks,

Ferb

[magicpockets]

Iirc, you flip to prevent damage, then you apply the remaining wounds (damage and wounds are different game terms). So In your example you die.

[nerdelemental]

Yep.

Dead.