Rig The Information

[Jesy Blue]

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Simultaneous Effects
Occasionally, an effect will generate multiple effects that  
occur at the same time. If this happens, they are resolved  
in the following order:  
1. The Active player (or the player with Initiative,  
if there is no Active player) chooses one of their  
models with one or more unresolved effects and  
resolves those effects in whatever order they  
wish. Then, that player chooses another of their  
models with unresolved effects and resolves  
those effects in the same way, continuing in this  
manner until the player no longer has models  
with unresolved effects. When an effect resolves,  
the entire effect resolves (even if it also affects a  
model controlled by the non-Active player).
2. The non-Active player resolves any unresolved  
effects affecting their models, as described  
above.  
3. Any remaining unresolved effects are resolved  
in an order determined by the Active player (or  
the player with Initiative, if there is no Active  
player).

So, assuming the only "Start of Activation" Ability a Honeypot model has is Rig The Deck +X, Youko's Informants Ability always happens after the deck has been rigged, correct?

[solkan]

1 hour ago, Jesy Blue said:

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So, assuming the only "Start of Activation" Ability a Honeypot model has is Rig The Deck +X, Youko's Informants Ability always happens after the deck has been rigged, correct?

Youko Hamasaki's ability reads "When an enemy model starts its Activation within 6, ..."  That is a "Start of Activation" ability.

Rig the Deck +X says "At the start of this model's Activation, ..."  That is a "Start of Activation" ability.

So, for instance, an Illuminated on Crew A activates within range of a Youko Hamasaki on crew B.  Rig the Deck resolves in Simultaneous.1, Informants resolves in Simultaneous.2, and there's no choice in the matter concerning that ordering.  

Unless some model comes out with the ability that changes how effects are resolved, that's pretty much going to always be that order.

[Jesy Blue]

..... unless there are several Start of Activation Abilities abound, then after the first two, the active player chooses the order. 

Let's hope we don't run into that scenario very often.

[solkan]

10 hours ago, Jesy Blue said:

..... unless there are several Start of Activation Abilities abound, then after the first two, the active player chooses the order. 

There being more than two Start of Activation abilities about won't change the fact that Hamasaki's ability is going to be resolved before Rig the Deck.

The active player's choice (and the inactive player's choice) only deals with the ordering of the abilities that resolve in their substep.  It doesn't create a situation where if there are three effects, it's permissible to choose to resolve Rig the Deck before Informants.

 

 

[Jesy Blue]

6 hours ago, solkan said:

There being more than two Start of Activation abilities about won't change the fact that Hamasaki's ability is going to be resolved before Rig the Deck.

... do you mean after Rig The Deck?

[solkan]

6 hours ago, Jesy Blue said:

... do you mean after Rig The Deck?

Me, looking at typo: 😱 ☠️

In any event, adding a third "Start of Activation" effect into the mess can't change the relative ordering of the "Active Player's effects" happening before "Inactive Player's effects".

It just means that you go from the ordering A B to someone's choice of

• x A B
• A x B
• A B x

depending on what 'x' is.

🙀