Grimcleaver Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Obliteration really feels like the Grave Spirit, down to pretty much representing the same stuff (Void, Undeath, the End of Everything) to such a degree that if the Grave Spirit is such a foe of the Neverborn to have stalked and killed them one by one and the Neverborn hate and fear him so much, they should hate and fear Obliteration just as much, right? Are they the same thing? Certainly when you get a glimpse of the Grave Spirit it's all black goo tentacles. Then Tara, well Tara pretty much IS black goo tentacles and is the Herald of Obliteration. Then there's the Avatar of Entropy, the Crow Headed angel thingie that briefly flies around carrying Lady Justice around during the last bits of Shifting Loyalties and then drops down with some Grave Spirity things to say to Seamus just when all his power seems to be going away...stuff that seems a lot like what the Grave Spirit was saying back in Book One...all the Til Gran Kythera Dow type stuff... So are they all the same thing? Is the Grave Spirit just another Tyrant? That doesn't seem to be what Viktoria's Doppelganger has to say when she's stargazing with them. As far as she's concerned he's the manifestation of the Plane of Death and the arch nemesis of all Neverborn everywhere. But then why is Obliteration cool? Also if necromancy is such a bad deal that the Nephilim Heyreddin gets exiled and branded a race traitor for doing it...how come there's a whole Tyrant devoted to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 A few counter points... If there's a tyrant devoted to necromancy, that would probably be a contributing reason to a hatred of necromancy among the nephilim. 1 hour ago, Grimcleaver said: Then there's the Avatar of Entropy, the Crow Headed angel thingie that briefly flies around carrying Lady Justice around during the last bits of Shifting Loyalties and then drops down with some Grave Spirity things to say to Seamus just when all his power seems to be going away...stuff that seems a lot like what the Grave Spirit was saying back in Book One...all the Til Gran Kythera Dow type stuff... "Avatar of Entropy" is officially someone else. The 'crow headed angel thingie' is the Carrion Emissary. When Lady Justice was flying around, you should note that she had two different "angel thingies". If you look at the conversation between Perdita and the governor on page 250, the governor probably has the right sort of idea. 1 hour ago, Grimcleaver said: Obliteration really feels like the Grave Spirit, down to pretty much representing the same stuff (Void, Undeath, the End of Everything) to such a degree that if the Grave Spirit is such a foe of the Neverborn to have stalked and killed them one by one and the Neverborn hate and fear him so much, they should hate and fear Obliteration just as much, right? You're conflating Void with Undeath and the End of Everything, and that's why you're getting confused. The situation with letting the Grave Spirit loose on the world would have been 'It will kill all of us and everything in the world'. Look back at McMorning and and Nicodem's events, or even Seamus's event, and remember that they're all Resurrectionists. 1 hour ago, Grimcleaver said: So are they all the same thing? Is the Grave Spirit just another Tyrant? That doesn't seem to be what Viktoria's Doppelganger has to say when she's stargazing with them. As far as she's concerned he's the manifestation of the Plane of Death and the arch nemesis of all Neverborn everywhere. But then why is Obliteration cool? Also if necromancy is such a bad deal that the Nephilim Heyreddin gets exiled and branded a race traitor for doing it...how come there's a whole Tyrant devoted to it? Well, why don't you just ask Lilith her age while you're at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Under Quarantine has a section on the Grave Spirit that mentions exactly what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimcleaver Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Okay then. I know what I'm picking up next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimcleaver Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 So I finally got a hold of a copy of Under Quarantine. Still can't find the section on the Grave Spirit. No luck at all. Can I get a page number from someone? I might just be looking in the wrong parts--it's a decently thick 200 page book. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Just now, Grimcleaver said: So I finally got a hold of a copy of Under Quarantine. Still can't find the section on the Grave Spirit. No luck at all. Can I get a page number from someone? I might just be looking in the wrong parts--it's a decently thick 200 page book. Thanks. pg. 60. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimcleaver Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 There we go! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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