Order of Operations Question

[Frosthydra]

So, I played a game last night, Pandora vs Dreamer.

 

We had a situation where there was a Daydream at 1 Wound left, that was within 6" of Dreamer when it activated, but was also standing directly next to a Sorrow, so we were a bit confused on the order in which the following would take place:

 

Dreamer's Pleasant Dreams: When another friendly Nightmare activates within 6 it immediately heals 3 damage.

 

Sorrow's Life Leech: Enemy models beginning their activation within  1 of this model suffer 1 damage.

 

Since both of these go off at the start of the model's activation, which would happen first?

[Adran]

the timing of events that occur at the same time is up to the models controller. I suggest healing first and then taking the sorrow damage.

[The Godlyness]

[CritterKiller32]

Good to know. I forgot to look this up after our game. Thanks for asking!

[Darguth]

the timing of events that occur at the same time is up to the models controller. I suggest healing first and then taking the sorrow damage.

 

I don't believe that is entirely accurate.  Please see the General Timing callout in the Damage and Wounds section (page 30 of the Wave 1 PDF file of the rulebook, I don't have a printing with me currently):

 

General Timing

Most Abilities grant a passive effect, some of which have their effect when a model suffers damage or is killed. Whenever any Ability happens at the same time as any Triggers, the Triggers are resolved first. If two Abilities happen at the same time, resolve them in the following order:

1. The Acting Model resolves its Abilities.

2. The Defending Model (if there is one) resolves its Abilities.

3. Any other models controlled by the First player resolves all of their Ability effects in any order the First player chooses.

4. Any other models controlled by the Second player resolves all of their Ability effects in any order the Second player chooses.

 

 

Because this is not an attack and the healing ability is not on the acting model, I think it would come down to initiative (i.e. steps #3-4 above).

[Ausplosions]

Correct, it depends who won initiative that round.

[Snakeshit]

so what you telling me is that if we play the full turn and I activate the daydream and I lost initiative he would die? 

[Adran]

you're right, I was thinking of conditions on the acting model, not abilities controlled by other models.

[Ausplosions]

so what you telling me is that if we play the full turn and I activate the daydream and I lost initiative he would die?

Correct.

[mythicFOX]

Just to get technical IIRC the person who wins the initiative flip chooses who First Player will be that turn.  You can win the initiative flip and choose to go second, therefore being the Second Player.  

 

So it's about who goes first, not who won the initiative flip.