Tapdancer Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Given I spend alot of time with guild riflemen men loitering with +3/4 focus i have feared somebody hits them with an Obey or similar. Does the take a 1 AP action allow the hostile player to declare the use of focus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Sure does. Now the real question is why don't you think they could? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 entropolous Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I can see it the other way, that they would not be able to use the focus. The full Focus condition text is: Focused +1: This model may remove this condition when declaring an Action to gain a number of to the Action's duel and damage flip equal to the value of the Focused Condition removed. [Emphasis mine] Obey specifically allows the the opponent make a model perform a (1) action control by them, removing focused would be going above an beyond what Obey allows them to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 ....Uhh which model is taking an action? The model with focus. So it can be obeyed to burn focus for its 1 action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 entropolous Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 The model can be obeyed to take a (1) action. Period. There is nothing in obey that allows you to do anything other than take a (1) action. Burning focus before taking the action is doing something above and beyond taking a (1) action. Because the Focused description specifies that "This model" has to removed the condition, forcing the model to remove the condition would be doing more than just taking a (1) action. If the wording were "When this model declares a (1) action, this condition can be removed..." I would agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 The model can be obeyed to take a (1) action. Period. There is nothing in obey that allows you to do anything other than take a (1) action. Burning focus before taking the action is doing something above and beyond taking a (1) action. Because the Focused description specifies that "This model" has to removed the condition, forcing the model to remove the condition would be doing more than just taking a (1) action. If the wording were "When this model declares a (1) action, this condition can be removed..." I would agree with you. This is not at all correct for the reasons laid out by the Godlyness. You are totally wrong sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 entropolous Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 After going back and looking at the phasing of various triggers, I am now inclined to agree. I got hung up too much on the "this model" phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Verdeloth Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Obey make the opponent control a 1 ap action for my model. "When this model declare" "This model may remove" Honestly i dont see what the difference would make in your example. Both wordings is clear to me that focus may trigger when an 1 ap action is declared from the model. Who are you casting obey on? This model right ? And now this model will take a ap action and use your focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Falconrider Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Focus thief! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mister Shine Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Tumblr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Given I spend alot of time with guild riflemen men loitering with +3/4 focus i have feared somebody hits them with an Obey or similar. Does the take a 1 AP action allow the hostile player to declare the use of focus?
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