Agrathax Earthshade and Nuln Oil (or whatever they're called) are pants.
Nothing like the properties or even the same colours as Devlin or Badab, thinner too.
The new 'Base' paints are nothing like the old foundation paints either, nowhere near as much pigment in them, it makes me a sad panda.
I'm gonna have to check these army painter washes out, I too thought people were refering to the dips, thanks for the recommendation guys