charging through incorporeal?

[SpiralngCadavr]

So, there's an active and unengaged model and its charge target. At least one of the models is incorporeal.

1A- Can the charger charge through the target, ending on the other side and engaged?

1B- Can the charger charge through the target, ending on the other side and outside of the opposing model's melee range?

 

Same scenario, but the active model is walking.

2A- Can the model walk through the other and its engagement zone (ending on the other side of both) without a test?

2B- Can a model walk through the model's engagement zone without a test? (This has nothing to do with incorporeal, just related to the others.)

[Csonti]

So, there's an active and unengaged model and its charge target. At least one of the models is incorporeal.

1A- Can the charger charge through the target, ending on the other side and engaged?

 

Yes

 

1B- Can the charger charge through the target, ending on the other side and outside of the opposing model's melee range?

 

Yes

 

Same scenario, but the active model is walking.

2A- Can the model walk through the other and its engagement zone (ending on the other side of both) without a test?

 

Provided it doesn't leave the zone, it is also yes, but there are two tricky theoretical cases.  

1st: When both models has the same size base and the moving model moves EXACTLY through the other base. In this case there is a point (when they overlap perfectly) when you can question whether it leaves the engagement range of the passive model or not. Personally I think this situation is not different than the normal B2B placement so I would say no, the engagement is not broken. Anyway you can always assume that the moving model doesn't move exactly through the other so the question is rather academical.

2nd: When the active model has a smaller base and moves through the other model so that there is a part of the movement when its base is entirely within the other's base. This situation could lead to the conclusion that the active model has left the other's engagement range so that a Disengaging Strike may be taken before moving. But as in the first case, the active player can avoid this by moving the model so that a tiny part of it always remains outside of the other's base.

 

2B- Can a model walk through the model's engagement zone without a test? (This has nothing to do with incorporeal, just related to the others.)

 

I guess you refer to the situation when the active model starts outside of the engagement zone and walks through it. In this case the answer is yes, only Walk Actions initiated during engagement trigger disengaging strikes. 

 

All the answers were based on the rulebook's related sections: ie. Charge, Engagement, Disengaging

[SpiralngCadavr]

Thanks! I was pretty sure I was reading the book right, but wanted to be sure. 2A's second scenario was one I was particularly unsure about. And yes, that's what I meant for 2B.

[Eyefink]

Just to throw in on the situations where you would walk completely "through" the other model's base, I would argue that their base is still 'within' engagement range, as 'within' is a properly defined term. It's a little bubble that radiates and is measured outward from the edge of the base, but there's no reason to believe the model itself would be excluded.

[Morgan Vening]

Just to throw in on the situations where you would walk completely "through" the other model's base, I would argue that their base is still 'within' engagement range, as 'within' is a properly defined term. It's a little bubble that radiates and is measured outward from the edge of the base, but there's no reason to believe the model itself would be excluded.

Well.... as you measure from the base edge, it'd only matter if the engagement range is less than half the diameter of the base, as there's nothing to stop you measuring within, either.

 

As 1" is 25.4mm, that means even a model with a 50mm base and a 1" melee attack, would have their engagement range extend through their entire base (with a 0.8mm overlapping circle in the centre.

 

Even the new ShenLong Avatar with his 70mm base has a 3" range, therefore his entire base is covered from any edge. Even if it had a 1" range, that'd only leave a 19.2mm 'empty spot' in the centre, too small for any model to enter, then leave.

 

So it'd be a non-issue with anything we're ever likely to see. Even the 120mm colossal things that other games have, would have to have a 1" range for it to matter. 2", and it's still a complete non-factor (unlike the 1"s trivial to the point of meaningless non-factor would be).

 

Wow, I put way more thought into that than was really necessary. Yay. :|