Turbodog Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 When a clockwork trap uses it's clamp down action, it says for the trap and the opposing model to make a Cb-->Wk duel. Who's Cb and who's Wk? Is it the Trap's Cb and the opponent's Wk or is it the opponent's Cb and the trap's Wk? I can't tell from the wording in the book (it's not clear to me which is supposed to be the attacking model and which is the defending model.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 The trap is the attacker. It's cb v defenders wk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbodog Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Not that I don't believe you, Ausplosions - but how do you know that? I mean, I like that interpretation. That way I'm treated as the attacker and win ties. And it'll be hard enough flipping from a 4... Just didn't see any obvious contextual clue in the description that I use my Cb and opponent uses his Wk. (And I could see a reasonable interpretation that I use my Wk and opponent is trying to get away with his Cb). Hrm, actually that makes it a pretty "underdog" type of duel doesn't it? A lot of models I'd like to stop with this have a Wk above 4... Anyone proxied this? Does the clamp on attack work well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 The model that is taking an action is always the attacker in an opposed duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Try using it on any resser model and you'll see how good it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rameses Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 If this came up in an event that I was running I'd say the same thing that Ausplosion had said: The trap is the attacker. It's cb v defenders wk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 If you'd like an actual rules reference, it's on pg. 18 of the Rules Manual: "Attacks" include "Actions that... require an opposed duel" and "their initiator [is] the attacker." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbodog Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks, Kadeton. You're awesome. The part I had missed is that clamp on is an action. That's what makes it different from, say, the wp-->wp duel to get out of a pine box - since that's not an action. In any case, I'm good now. Thanks! On that note...gotta remember to put the traps with Lady J so that she can give them more Cb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 NP I'm liking the image of the traps being so inspired by Lady J's heroics that they clamp down extra hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Hrm, actually that makes it a pretty "underdog" type of duel doesn't it? A lot of models I'd like to stop with this have a Wk above 4... Anyone proxied this? Does the clamp on attack work well? It's a pretty powerful ability for a 2ss model. There has to be some downside. You can't expect it to work all the time. You get a pretty nice bonus to it the first time you use it (while Harmless). Even after that, if you flip a decent card for the attack, your opponent will have to cheat in a good card to resist it...they won't want to be Paralyzed. I've used them several times with McCabe and with the Pathfinder....they work extremely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbodog Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 There has to be some downside. silly me, I figured that since you sacrifice the trap after the action - that was the downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) silly me, I figured that since you sacrifice the trap after the action - that was the downside. Only when it succeeds. Trust me....I've used this model enough to say, there is no spin that makes this model a poor investment. And with the Hoffman profile avatar you have, I'm sure you're not complaining about a 2ss construct? If saccing them is a downer for you, then don't....just keep a few of them around to boost Hoff to ridiculous levels for next to nothing. Edited November 14, 2012 by dgraz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLord Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 silly me, I figured that since you sacrifice the trap after the action - that was the downside. What do you expect from a 2pt model that can auto paralyse on hit? Its only sacrificed if it successfully paralyses a model, which since you choose when to do it, should always be a good trade... Its also a (0) action, so it can still move or attack normally as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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