Ausplosions Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 So, I'm playing Jakob and we flip the random event Dark Omens From the beginning of the draw phase the the end of the activation phase, fate cards with a value of 1 count as value 13 and vice versa. So, I'm wondering does the 1 :masks still count as the Red Joker for Jakob, or is it now the 13 :masks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Hateful Darkblack Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Depending on how you did it, it could even be both! ("I turn the 1:masks into a Red Joker before it can ever be turned into a 13. I turn the 13:masks into a 1:masks, and from there, I turn it into a Red Joker.") My best guess is that this is a case where the acting model decides the order, since there's no clear order listed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 minmax Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 What about the 13 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted September 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Any more thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rameses Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I am not speaking officially here, but I'd think that Jakob's "Ace in the Hole" would take precedence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 psychocamel Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I actually asked Ratty about this in the chat last week, Jakob's wording over-rides the Dark Omens rule. Ace in the Hole: When this model flips or Cheats Fate with the 1 of Masks, that card is treated as a Red Joker. I think the important difference here is that Dark Omens looks at and alters the value of the card, where as Jakob changes the entire card. If that is the case, I would also say that the 13M does not become a Red Joker, as it is still a 13, it's just that the 13 is only worth 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Keltheos Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Correct. In Jakob's hands the 1M becomes a Red Joker, it is no longer a 1M for Dark Omens to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rameses Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Correct. In Jakob's hands the 1M becomes a Red Joker, it is no longer a 1M for Dark Omens to change. YOU ARE AWESOME Keltheos. Or so I hear from the Gamers Lounge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Keltheos Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Yes, yes I am. And thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted September 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 So Jakob flips the 13 :masks Dark Omens turns it into a 1 :masks Jakob turns it into a Red Joker. So when Dark Omens is active, Jakob has 3 red jokers in the deck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I think you are over reading it. 13m is still a 13m but when dark omens is out it has a value of 1. It is not the Ace of masks. Which Jacob specificly requires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 psychocamel Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Yeah that's the message I was trying to get across too. Basically, try changing the word value with... sausages Dark Omens would say a 13M is now worth only 1 sausage, and a 1M is now worth 13 sausages. Jakob says a 1M is a Red Joker. So the 1M is a Red Joker and therefore worth 14 sausages with mustard and relish. Dark Omens says the 13M is worth 1 sausage, but it's still a 13M, it's just not worth a crap so Jakob sleeves it for later >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted September 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Sausages, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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So, I'm playing Jakob and we flip the random event Dark Omens
From the beginning of the draw phase the the end of the activation phase, fate cards with a value of 1 count as value 13 and vice versa.
So, I'm wondering does the 1 :masks still count as the Red Joker for Jakob, or is it now the 13 :masks
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