Dark Omens.

[Ausplosions]

So, I'm playing Jakob and we flip the random event Dark Omens

From the beginning of the draw phase the the end of the activation phase, fate cards with a value of 1 count as value 13 and vice versa.

So, I'm wondering does the 1 :masks still count as the Red Joker for Jakob, or is it now the 13 :masks

[Hateful Darkblack]

Depending on how you did it, it could even be both!

("I turn the 1:masks into a Red Joker before it can ever be turned into a 13. I turn the 13:masks into a 1:masks, and from there, I turn it into a Red Joker.")

My best guess is that this is a case where the acting model decides the order, since there's no clear order listed here.

[minmax]

What about the 13 lol

[Ausplosions]

Any more thoughts?

[Rameses]

I am not speaking officially here, but I'd think that Jakob's "Ace in the Hole" would take precedence.

[psychocamel]

I actually asked Ratty about this in the chat last week, Jakob's wording over-rides the Dark Omens rule.

Ace in the Hole: When this model flips or Cheats Fate with the 1 of Masks, that card is treated as a Red Joker.

I think the important difference here is that Dark Omens looks at and alters the value of the card, where as Jakob changes the entire card.

If that is the case, I would also say that the 13M does not become a Red Joker, as it is still a 13, it's just that the 13 is only worth 1.

[Keltheos]

Correct. In Jakob's hands the 1M becomes a Red Joker, it is no longer a 1M for Dark Omens to change.

[Rameses]

Correct. In Jakob's hands the 1M becomes a Red Joker, it is no longer a 1M for Dark Omens to change.

YOU ARE AWESOME Keltheos. Or so I hear from the Gamers Lounge!

[Keltheos]

Yes, yes I am.

And thanks.

[Ausplosions]

So Jakob flips the 13 :masks

Dark Omens turns it into a 1 :masks

Jakob turns it into a Red Joker.

So when Dark Omens is active, Jakob has 3 red jokers in the deck?

[The Godlyness]

I think you are over reading it. 13m is still a 13m but when dark omens is out it has a value of 1. It is not the Ace of masks. Which Jacob specificly requires

[psychocamel]

Yeah that's the message I was trying to get across too.

Basically, try changing the word value with... sausages

Dark Omens would say a 13M is now worth only 1 sausage, and a 1M is now worth 13 sausages.

Jakob says a 1M is a Red Joker. So the 1M is a Red Joker and therefore worth 14 sausages with mustard and relish.

Dark Omens says the 13M is worth 1 sausage, but it's still a 13M, it's just not worth a crap so Jakob sleeves it for later >_>

[Ausplosions]

Sausages, got it.