forest maker lilith

[The Godlyness]

Ok illusionary forest says it stays in play till a friendly model casts it again. Now if i use tuco and taint loyalty on lets say a cherub or even lilth can I just make forests that will stay in play indefinitely. Which of course nephlim ignore.

[Hateful Darkblack]

Hey, clever! I'm not sure!

[The Godlyness]

was thinking this list

lilith + avatar

cherub-2

lilitu-7

lelu-7

tuco-7

waldgeist-6

so could with enough 7s have 5 forests on first turn, and then 4 every turn after.

with liltu to heal the lilith from the sorrow or her self if i want (more lure action.)

and once she manifests forests of DOOOMMMM

yes i understand its not really that competitive but it would sure be fun as hell to play.

would of course strategy dependent try take hold out every time for a scheme.

[CrazyCarl]

So the question is does the model stay friendly to itself.

[Mournafein]

Taint Loyalty says "any other model in the game." So, yes, to itself.

Very clever. I'd really like to do this, now. Is it safe to say you can do this several times?

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Just my understanding, though. So you could definitely put a lot of forest up, either way!

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I'd really like a ruling on this, though... Seems like the best way to make aLilith useful.

[CrazyCarl]

I'm going to say I don't care I'd it does or doesn't work. That said, it should still be friendly to itself. A model is always friendly to itself per the rm. at worst you'll get 2 casts.

[dgraz]

Yeah, a model is always friendly to itself, so if the same model casts it again, its prior cast would go away.

Also, the totem would only be able to cast it once per turn anyway........Magical Extension is once per activation.

[The Godlyness]

On page 122 the defintion of friendly is defined. Now with tuco taking that away it is not friendly. Even to its self. Heck tuco even says its not friendly to any model in the encounter. The model is in the encounter.

[CrazyCarl]

Unless the stat card is different than the book, Taint Loyalty says it isn't friendly to any other model in the encounter, not any. The other is the key part of the phrasing there. So you can cast 2 instances of Illusionary Forest, but not unlimited.

[Mournafein]

So, consider replacing something with a Doppleganger... When you manifest, you should have like 6 forests on the board. 3 from: Lilith, totem, and Doppleganger. Another 3 from manifesting. Then just try to kill things in the woods for blood tokens... With Lelu and Lilitu (I might even consider two Lelu's for maximum melee ouch. Or, if it tickles your fancy, you could consider running a more growth-y type list) I personally think the twins are more resilient, by quite a bit, though.

[Nazull]

Sounds good .

Edited July 30, 2012 by Nazull

[Hateful Darkblack]

Yeah, it looks like models are friendly to themself. But you COULD hire Sorrows and Tuco, have Tuco render each of them friendly only to itself, then have a Sorrow (0) Link Lilith, and finally have each cast (1) Illusionary Forest using (2) Siphon Magic. You might want to kill off that Sorrow before it drains Lilith. With a Student of Conflict to speed up Tuco, you could make three forests a round this way.

You could get one forest for every 3 soulstones you're willing to spend on Sorrows. It just doesn't sound like much fun since you'll be sitting there generating forests and killing your own models for the first few turns.

[The Godlyness]

Brutal effigy for heals. Lilitu for heals. Sorrows arent that big of an impact. Sorrow doppleganger totem lilith.