Dumb Luck Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I said he might for the sake of discussion. His Whacked Pigs help control the Stampede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I said he might for the sake of discussion. His Whacked Pigs help control the Stampede. The more I look at Lenny the more I am confused by his role (especially with Somer). His Big Target action effectively turns off his Df trigger (and wont protect Somer in either form). The Whacked Piglet ability has too short of a range to really control Piglets (especially with his low CB). The lack of a Cg limits his Dg threat and ability to function as a counter charger. And lastly the Dumb ability is really at odds with Somers Ill Fated (cant really think of any reason to bring him since I will essentially be playing with 4 cards in my hand and he will either be slow the entire time or lose 1 Wd to give him a normal activation in addition to the 1 card tax). Perhaps he will work better with Ophelia, anyone got any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelious1424 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 When you get the summoning machine going you gain cards from Survival of the Fittest. I wouldn't be too worried bout not having cards to drop for Dumb. Cb5 is average, and the damage output with his trigger is awesome! With Gremlins Luck Lenny will hit stuff with his giant stick, just you wait! I think he is going to be the meat shield, what the Warpig is supposed to be. Taking damage, while giving out the armor. Som'er and a Slop Hauler can heal him up nice and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 In smaller games, I can see him competing with Francois for the role of counter attack damage dealer. Francois kis two points cheaper. Thats a whole Skeeter/Rat/Gremlin extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evidar Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Lenny. Jackalope slayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelious1424 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Here are 2 35ss lists I want to try out with Lenny. One is using Ophelia as a master, the other is a Som'er list. I know I shouldn't really list build in Malifaux, but it's fun to dream!!! Ophelia - 4ss Cache (will be 6 if I opt not to take a scheme) Totem: 3 x Young LaCroix - 6ss Rami - 6ss Pere - 5ss Francois - 5ss Lenny - 7ss Slop Hauler - 4ss 2 x Bayou Gremlins Som'er Teeth Jones - 5ss Cache (can be 7 if I opt not to take a scheme) Avatar of Indulgence - 2ss Totem: Giant Mosquito - 2ss Lenny - 7ss 4 x Bayou Gremlins - 8ss Hog Whisperer - 5ss 2 x Piglets - 6ss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 See, I look at those lists and just think there isn't enough guys in it. I fear Lenny might end up as a 'fun' piece, thrown in larger games for some variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelious1424 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 In my personal experience with Bayou Gremlins...they die fast, real fast. I'm not a fan of the whole "gunline" as I feel it's boring and ineffective IMHO. What's wrong with Lenny being a fun model anyway? The Gremlin line as a whole is meant to be shenanigans in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 There's nothing wrong with Lenny just being fun at all. Just reckon that Francois would give you more bang for your buck. Looking at Lenny again today. If you were to pair him up with Ophelia giving him masks on his Df, you'd be getting off his 'Stop Picking On Me' trigger all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Looking at Lenny again today. If you were to pair him up with Ophelia giving him masks on his Df, you'd be getting off his 'Stop Picking On Me' trigger all the time. To bad that means I have to worry about my Gremlins recieving slow if they are benefitting from Big Target (granted they can use Reckless to offset this but then they have to take a Wd which offsets the Armor benefit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) To bad that means I have to worry about my Gremlins recieving slow if they are benefitting from Big Target (granted they can use Reckless to offset this but then they have to take a Wd which offsets the Armor benefit) Well ... its something, at least. Also, Avatar Somer would help reduce the side effects of Stop Picking on Me. Think we're onto something here. Edited September 3, 2011 by Dumb Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irall Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I personaly see him well Babysitting the young:make the young follow him around and shot anything that got close whit dirty shot or right between the eyes while lenny use is big target ability and smash anythign that come close^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I see Dumb Luck's concern about taking up SS that can be used for lower costing Gremlins but his usefulness seems to be worth 3 Bayou Gremlins. He hits much harder, is hard to bring down and adds armor to those around him. He will make you switch up some tactics but he will not make a crew weaker by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Upon reaching lower point Brawl level, I reckon he's an auto include. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shank Seamus! Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I see him as the big guy from the goonies, The la croixs sitting in wait to hank some unsuspecting trader types.. From the distance.. 'HEY, YOOO GUYS!!'.. Just my t'pence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I see him as the big guy from the goonies, The la croixs sitting in wait to hank some unsuspecting trader types.. From the distance.. 'HEY, YOOO GUYS!!'.. Just my t'pence Your showing your age now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Your showing your age now.[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFYMijdQ_sA]No, this is showing ones age.[/ame] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shank Seamus! Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Your showing your age now. ..ah back in the day, when a movie, popcorn and a drink was less than a fiver.. and don't even get me started on the price of bread! In all seriousness tho, I will be looking to run lenny over Francois, just feel his 'buffs' are far more valuable.. SS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrereSebastian Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 ..ah back in the day, when a movie, popcorn and a drink was less than a fiver.. and don't even get me started on the price of bread! In all seriousness tho, I will be looking to run lenny over Francois, just feel his 'buffs' are far more valuable.. SS! In all fairness I do not have the 3 book as I am waiting to buy it from my local hobby store, however why not replace Raphael with this lenny? Francois has so much more potential with the hair line trigger that ophelia just gives him. I think francois is there to just take down something when it needs to go down. So I am very against taking him out of my lists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 The 'issue?' with the Kin is that everyone of them is good at their area of talent, so just dropping one is going to take some thought. Francois is great with the Hair Trigger but Rafael is great for flanking on his own and taking points. Or just heading in and getting into a ruckus. Don't under estimate Hard to Kill with Gremlins Bleed Green. So essentially you will have to design a list to the Strategy or Faction you are facing instead of a one size fits all crew. Darn, I hate options.:happypuppet1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I see Dumb Luck's concern about taking up SS that can be used for lower costing Gremlins but his usefulness seems to be worth 3 Bayou Gremlins. He hits much harder, is hard to bring down and adds armor to those around him. He will make you switch up some tactics but he will not make a crew weaker by any means. Will disagree a little bit on this. 3 Bayou Gremlins have the same Damage potential on Weak using 1 :rams per Activation (for Dumb luck Trigger) and can generate up to 27 Dg (on 6 Severe Flips with one trigger per) at a Rg of up to 12" (with either the Boomstick or Rusty Weapon), where as Lenny can generate up to 21 Dg with his 3 AP (using three :rams for Hugs and Squeezes trigger) at a distance of only 2". Neither models Cb is over average Df so neither is very likely to be flipping for damage (increasing the likelyhood of flipping moderate or severe) but the increased flips generated by the 3 Bayou Gremlins should tip the scales a bit in their favor (up to 12 additional card flips per turn if reckless) Also he may have more Wds, and benefit from both Hard to Wound 1 and Armor 1 but he also depletes Somers already low Control hand just activating or takes a Wd every turn to get his normal 2 AP (without the ability to get a third because he had to use Reckless to offset Slow from not discarding). Additionally Bayou Gremlins are easily replacable in Game (with Somer) where as Lenny is not. Pitiful is a non-issue since you are typically going to want an early activation out of him to maximize the effect of his Buff. His Big Target action is nice but easily offset by just killing Lenny since it is an or ignored completly since Gremlins typically do more Dg to themselves then the enemy anyway. Also using Big target limits Lenny to either moving or attacking (since unless you are willing to both dump a control card and take a Wd you are going to be limited to just his 2 AP). Lastly, Big Target does nothing for Somer since he is Ht 2. Overall I see Lenny as helping Ophelia's crew out much more then Somer's (since all of them are Ht 1), though the Whacked Piglet attacks benefits does intrigue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Well Omenbringer that is were we might be having our different views. I play the LaCroix kin when I play Gremlins and have not used Som'er as of yet.(Waiting for Peaches.) So I find the Bayou boys a 'meh' choice when compared to the Youngins, Slophualer and Kin. Lenny just looks like he will compliment the Kin's weaknesses and add a 'thump' where it is needed. I still am not sure how Som'er feels or what he needs so I can not speak for Som'er players. When we get some more play experience it will be interesting to see what his Tactica will look like at Pull My Finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 STUFF This pretty much. That said, I am still a fan of Big Target against your Guild crews and the Quit Pickin' On Me/Avatar Somer/Ophelia combo has some worth. What it comes down to his fitting him in and if he is worth inclusion over Gremlins of similar points. For Gremlins, I believe the best new minion from Book 3 is McTavish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I see that Mac T is on the preorder list on Miniature Market under the ?Ressers? for some reason, but is he due out in Sept. Or Oct.? Yet as a Ophelia player he is not on my 'need' list right now. But when aSom'er comes out he will be a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 He's excellent with Ophelia. Double team him with Rami and you have a horrific firebase. McTavish has one major downside, being that only Take a Swig can heal him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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