cerealkiller195 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I was thinking the same thing, getting an extra activation due to canine remains that aren't rats so they can "move about the cabin freely..". That is something I saw in game, yes you can move the rats far but once you are out of activations you are at the mercy of the opposing player who saved his best pieces for last... With no retaliation what so ever that isn't a great spot to be in for the hamelin player. about the tot... i agree its a huge gamble.. If you don't draw a 9+ masks in hands first turn the whole "grow" strategy pretty much goes out the window unless you get lucky. the biggest "problem" that i see is buying a bunch of out of faction models that you can ONLY use with one list. Unless you play other factions you really can't get mileage out of the miniatures... yes this can be argued both ways i imagine. But coming from a faction where anything but masters/ master totems are interchangeable it just seems "meh" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Joker :( Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 So have tot kill rat, attempt to grow, use Hamelin to have tot kill another rat so that on turn 2 a young tot can kill another rat, have 2 counters, attempt to mature... Sounds risky and a little slow if you are using CR as they are on the faster side... My concern would be either this plan taking too long to develop while say my opponent grabs objectives or the dependency on high masks... Cereal, testing, saturday... Also picking up the extra minis isn't too much of a worry, I got paid today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 the biggest "problem" that i see is buying a bunch of out of faction models that you can ONLY use with one list. This is Hamelin's entire crew - rats, totem, Nix, Rat Catchers, Stolen... whats a few Tots and Canine Remains between friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 use Hamelin to have tot kill another rat No. You cannot do (0) Drain Blood this way as you only get a (1) action not a (1) action and a (0) action. Sorry bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromorph Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Tot needs a 9+ to grow. Certainly there is a good chance to get it on turn1 but its a massive gambit. And Hamelin also needs those high s. On the other hand the Tot in itself is a good model for 3 SS. Just don't rely your strategy on maturing it. I'm also curious about the role of the Canine Remains. Overactivation? Basically what Magic said. Although, you are correct about the gamble with hoping for that 9+:masks. I has a game against colette where I had 2 tots and it took me 3 turns of trying to cast grow, drawing cards through the wretch, etc and I think I only managed to grow 1 of them to a young by turn 3. Basically if you're going to use tots, and then don't grow by turn 1-2, just say screw it and go with the tot, maybe try to grow it later if you're not engaged, but otherwise you'll waste too much time. Granted, the number of times you will NOT get that 9+:masks is slim...I just have epic bad luck with cards...all the time...so my situation may just be unique, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Re growing tots, just take one tot and it works quite nicely. You're pushing it too far with two or expecting to get a mature. The idea is to give you a decent stand alone melee model (which Hamelin "needs"), with the added bonus of it only costing 3ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 When i first heard of the canine remains in the list I though that it was a way to spring board the rats that much farther. Though running the risk of being too far away would still be a fun tactic to catch certain models unawares. have to agree, having just 1 tot you run the risk of not getting the required cards. Running 2 and expecting them to both get grow off in a game is pretty tough especially if the opponent decides not to cheat purely to deny your draw in some occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Joker :( Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Cereal, get ready! The order for the missing parts is being placed as soon as I get off of this train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Read title and no threads within. As hamelin Start with hamelin Nix 1 Rat Catcher 1 stolen (or two) And as many rats as possible while still leaving you with 8 SS (I think in a 35 SS game you get 6 rats, 1 RC, 1 Stolen, and Nix with all 8 soul stones.) Obedient Wretch is a cool model but the one card per turn is useless really. Someone is bound to argue that its wrong but ignore them. Move slow Rat swarm shouldn't move more than 7" a turn. Turn 1 have Hamelin take 1 5" wk towards the enemy. Then summon a Stolen 6" behind him. Then take another Wk. For all 3 AP. If the enemy is Colette / Dreamer / Lilith Just take 1 Wk and summon a stolen. Pass on the last AP Rat Catcher moves 1" behind the swarm, kills them. Passes if in place. Never in front of swarm or he deserves to die. Stolen take no actions but walk Always walk to models with ranged attacks. Then if stoeln are in melee ranged they haveto walk and cant attack. Woot woot. If they attack they're boned. Anyway. Turn 2 and on Hamelin spends all his AP on Understand the soulless. Try to get their fastest models, then their master. If their master is Lilith, Dreamer, Seamus or a Victoria, they're more important than fast models. Once their master / fast models are insignificant, aim for their damage dealers. If the model is Immune to Influence use your pipes, cheat a mask to trigger Haunting melody. For your Pipes / Understand the Soulless you are always going to be using Soul Stones. Period. Never use soul stones for healing flips / mitigation Only for making stuff insignificant. Once your stolen are in the middle of their models go ahead and use abandon to drop Wp The insignificant doesn't really matter they'll probably drop cards no problem. Rat swarm takes out lone models Never use your swarm versus a group of their dudes Keep nix with Hamelin until a lot of stuff is insignificant A powerful trick is After you spread insignificant start casting hamelin's irresistible lure and then use Nix's Emptiness to wreck those models when they're btb with Hamelin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonti Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Obedient Wretch is a cool model but the one card per turn is useless really. Someone is bound to argue that its wrong but ignore them. Sandwich's tactic has more holes than a fine cheese. Probably Sandwich are bound to argue that its wrong but ignore him. [Note: You may find little drops of sarcasm in this post.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Joker :( Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Wow... I didn't get the models / cards in for tot / young / CR so I didn't test but I will lol and I don't know who to ignore lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Joker :( Posted July 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Ok so I got a good game in using the list Magic posted: Hamelin CR x3 Rat Catcher Mofo Rat x2 Wretch Terror Tot Nix 8 ss I played against a Seamus 'I lure you list' Mission flipped was recon, I at that For schemes I took bodyguard Hamelin and grudge. Long and short in my opening hand I drew a 9 and 13 of Masks so I got grow off quickly on the tot, had a mature on turn 3, and just threw that into a cluster of belles and a convict gunslinger... My opponent didn't like that. I had nix the rat catcher and rats pester one flank, I had the CR run around to claim / contest... I won completing both schemes and thanks to understanding the souless I made enough guys on his side insignificant so I won a few quarters as well... All in all it is a solid list, I had no clue what I was doing and I still got the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Kudos, although you were lucky with the two masks you needed But that aside, told you it was a sweet list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 hey you forget my nifty arm chair general'ing during two pivotal points in the battle! lol Yes your opponent should of re-flipped but i convinced him otherwise just because it would be great practice when he has the odds against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Joker :( Posted July 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 hey you forget my nifty arm chair general'ing during two pivotal points in the battle! lol Yes your opponent should of re-flipped but i convinced him otherwise just because it would be great practice when he has the odds against him. Yes you were a help +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 All in all it is a solid list, I had no clue what I was doing and I still got the win! How inspiring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 How inspiring... Now now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 like i said it was actually a close run thing, but my help in understanding hamelin giving a few hints here and there helped out the hamelin player. Though i'm still unsure about the tot, yes in that game he had both required cards he needed how often would that happen in most games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromorph Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 It will happen, "at some point" in most games, but not always when you need it to....or hardly ever in my case with my terrible luck, which is why I tend to drift more toward the CR spam than tots, though I can't deny the Young Neph's effectiveness when they actually do get to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 he was lucky enough to despite taking massive amount of wounds to finally grow to full, obedience to charge then knock aside getting to the bell he needed to for "grudge" I think he either managed to one shot her or bring her down to 1 with a red joker! So in that game despite only doing 1 thing, it was like all the stars aligned and went right... well till a bunch of ghosts laid a beat down on him but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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