Rogue necromancy:smell fear and charging

[greenbull]

When a Rogue Necromancy used its (0) Smell Fear action, and an enemy model at 2 inch loses a morale duel ( terrifying 13 test for instance ), can the Rogue actually charge that model? It's already in melee range... so strictly speaking, it can't even hit the enemy model with a melee strike?

Thanks!

[hippieshopper]

I would say yes. But I am not 100% sure about it

Normally they would scatter away from whatever scared them...but I believe Smell Fear states it goes off before that.

I think it is better used before you cast "True form"

[marshimartian]

Yes, Smell Fear overrides the core rules that say a model can't charge a model that it's already in melee with. Remember, whenever a spell or ability contradicts the core rules, the spell or ability wins out.

[magicpockets]

Yes, Smell Fear overrides the core rules that say a model can't charge a model that it's already in melee with. Remember, whenever a spell or ability contradicts the core rules, the spell or ability wins out.

I'd disagree. iirc, smell fear only says the model may make a charge - nothing in it's rules say this charge may be taken whilst in melee range, therefore nothing overrides the core rules. You may make a charge, but that charge still needs to be a "charge" (i.e. legal)

[Ratty]

Smell Fear follows all the normal rules for charging, so you can't be in melee with the model that runs.

[greenbull]

Thanks Ratty, but that is very unfortunate. So something at 2.5 inches that loses a morale duel is charged by the Rogue, but an enemy that runs away because of a failed terrifying test at 2 inch cannot be charged ...

Sorry for my rant!

[marshimartian]

Just for the record, not what was said way back when

http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7776&highlight=Smell+Fear

[greenbull]

Thanks, but as far as I can see, TheBugKing who ruled ( in the post you mention ) that one can charge under Smell Fear, is not an official ruler, while Ratty is ... :dontknow:

[marshimartian]

Thanks, but as far as I can see, TheBugKing who ruled ( in the post you mention ) that one can charge under Smell Fear, is not an official ruler, while Ratty is ... :dontknow:

Obviously, but it was the only relevant post until now. And it did seem logical since:

A) Blades and Bullets overrides not meeting able to use a ranged attack while in melee

Since default Terrifying range is melee range, smell fear could never trigger from a model affected by that models Terrifying (except for models declaring a charge)

Just saying, no disrespect Ratty.

[Sliver Chocobo]

Doesn't smell fear trigger after the model has fallen back, so it should be in melee with it any more?

Thus allowing you to charge said model

[greenbull]

Unfortunately not. Here's the action:

(0) Smell Fear: When a model loses a Morale Duel within 6" of this model, but before the model falls back, this model may immediately Charge the model. Smell Fear ends when this model Charges this turn or at the Start Closing Phase.

Basically, this action will only be used rarely the way it's ruled right now. Can't imagine that it was intended this way...

[magicpockets]

Unfortunately not. Here's the action:

(0) Smell Fear: When a model loses a Morale Duel within 6" of this model, but before the model falls back, this model may immediately Charge the model. Smell Fear ends when this model Charges this turn or at the Start Closing Phase.

Basically, this action will only be used rarely the way it's ruled right now. Can't imagine that it was intended this way...

Smell fear is an old ability other models have to. The idea is you have a crew of other minion who can cause morale tests and when one if failed within 6" (which is quite a big area) you get a free charge with this model.

[Ratty]

I've used it before with great effect combining Teddy with Pandora. it gives him a great speed boost.. run him forward, throw up Smell fear. Cheat in a crow on a spell from Pandora, instant extra 6" move.

[hippieshopper]

Or with the Hanged and their good buddy Jack Daw.

Or just the Hanged...

[greenbull]

Excellent suggestions!

[marshimartian]

Thanks, but as far as I can see, TheBugKing who ruled ( in the post you mention ) that one can charge under Smell Fear, is not an official ruler, while Ratty is ... :dontknow:

According to sketch, TheBugKing is, or at least was a Wyrd employee, see: http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showpost.php?p=125839&postcount=2

So why does Smell fear no longer override the no charging in melee rule?

[Soundwave]

Is that link really correct? It points to a ruling about Slow to Die.

If it's a ruling, I would suppose it has been ruled, and as such discussed by the Marshal-men.

[marshimartian]

The link was to show drew saying that thebugking is wyrd legit, thebugking had said that smell fear overrides the rule, see the first page of this thread

[Ratty]

That was posted 2 years ago long before the new Rules Manual and the v2 cards. I know when I ruled on this I discussed it with sKeTCH.

[marshimartian]

I only asked why it changed, since it had in fact changed.

[Ratty]

Probably because other rules revolving around when something fizzles or works have been clarified in the meantime.