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Just a couple of questions for clarification: 1. What upgrades did Reva take? 2. What was your crew list? Please and thank you.

This is typical of what i do for terrain height as well.

I am going to be doing a walk through with my group on how to fight Reva this weekend. I'll post the results when they happen. I also may try home-ruling and playing with a slightly cuddled version of Reva in order to have her unbanned. If i do i'll report the consensus on perceived power level from my opponents as well as any crew and tactical adjustments the self cuddling necessitated. BTW does Reva's cult have a name? I feel that we ardent Reva supporters should have a name...

I think that the biggest reason as to why she's over powered is that she is remarkably unimpeded by terrain. She is height 3 allowing her to see over vast swathes over the board, and she can attack from the most ridiculous angles at any given time. Because of this Reva can control the board almost as well as she kills. I just need to make sure an area is covered with a couple corpse markers and, as long as Reva is still alive, i can refocus my attention to it with almost no AP cost in moving models or anything. If i took Beyond Death than i can have an additional AP and can charge through terrain and models rendering most attempts at trying to mitigate her useless. I love Reva and her style but i think it is a bit much. Frankly i think adding a clause to Ethereal Reaping saying that this is attack is affected by hard and soft cover penalties would keep her flavor alive while affording opponents some hope.

Reva's box is quite powerful i must concur. All i have done is add Toshiro and Chiaki and it can be soulcrushing.

Has anyone taken a crew not built around Reva as the primary damage dealer? Has anyone tried to maximize the use of Blood Mark with other big threats like Val or Rogue Necromancy or tried her with Spare Parts to great effect? Reva the assassin has pretty much been figured out it seems and i'm wondering if anyone has any other intriguing and powerful builds.

Candles can use a 1 action to move corpses. Also Mwahahaha can create mindless zombies. If you choose to take Beyond Death you make Reva more flexible because she doesn't need as many corpses.

I meant Reva taking Sue, to help with her control hand...

I'll second Kadeton about dual 6/6 def/wp being a trouble for Reva and her control hand. My opponent love TT and torakage and hitting them can often be a drain on my control hand. It seems one of Reva's weaknesses are high def/wp targets due to her CA 6. I've been looking at models to help the control hand due to this and so far i'm thinking of Sue.

I typically use the 0 for Life Drain but i've only missed casting it once and have hit it for Max damage all but once. The other 0 i use is for Mwahahaha though i only use it about once or twice a game because you get so much value from it after only one casting. I use the soulbound upgrades Another Purpose for the stones and The Gift of Death for markers. I've only used the attacking one once and regretted it. The others provide so much value that i can't really justify the third. Though i often play TT so they can usually heal that back up anyways.

I agree about waiting. I would give it at least 2 6 month cycles. To cuddle her now would anger alot of people who just bought her because they wouldn't have the right cards, and they wouldn't have been able to use her. Also, the meta has had nowhere near the time to adjust yet so it could be new master syndrome. I still think after an adjustment period she'll be above the curve though. Hopefully she won't require a cuddle. I agree that banning a Master is poor form, though in extreme cases i think it can be justified if it is ruining the entire game based soley on the Master and not accounting for player skill. I do not think enough time has elapsed to justify such a case based on that and, obviously, i would like her unbanned. The game of Malifaux is so fun however that i will continue playing despite the ban because some Malifaux is greater than no Malifaux. That and my other Masters are Pandora and Yan Lo so they're just trading one headache for another.

Seems like your experience running Reva is pretty much on par with Omen's and mine. I have yet to run MLH and the emissary but will most likely never do so. Reva's already banned and i'd rather not worsen that. I found for very evil shenanigans activating Reva late one turn, and then first or early the next can suck the joy of life out of your opponent. Took out four models with this before, including a henchman, and opponent conceded because there were just too many activations on my end since nothing on my end had died. Not to blow the cuddle horn too quickly but i believe its been talked about in another thread how to cuddle her. If it were to come to that i would propose rewriting SOtF to discard corpse markers used for it. You would then have to rewrite Blood Mark and the candles to protect the models used as a corpse marker. Then, i would add a built in trigger to Ethereal Reaping that would allow you to not discard the corpse marker used for SOtF. This would allow Reva to do consistent damage but if she wants to do more, such as healing or Beyond Death, it would actually cost her resources. This should allow more pressure to be applied without cuddling her too much.

I recently spoke to them about this and they are tentatively for it. I'm going to first walk them through a simplified game where we only flip a strat and where i walk them through every decision i make and give them a thorough explanation of my crew and upgrade choices. Next, if they feel they need more, we will do a crew switch so i can both experience what it is like to play her and they can get more hands on experience and hopefully get further insight. Hopefully this will unban her... She is my favorite master.

Thanks for helping Fetid! Found it!

I've been searching for a model i saw on these forums some time ago for awhile on google and can't seem to find it. It is of a women in a form fitting dress crouched down and holding a tombstone. I though that it was in the Gen Con photos of Wyrd's display case but i can't seem to find it there. Any help with some info on where to find her and a pic would be very appreciated! Thanks!

I started with Guises and Blood Mark but have moved from them. I now use Beyond Death, Decaying Aura, and Maniacal Laugh. To maximize my AP efficiency i use a Toshiro Death Bubble with 3 Sbers to abuse Vigor and Chiaki to slow my opponent and give heals. Vincent rounds it out by annoying models and opportunity killing. Reva can get 5 attacks with this build and is much more flexible with her attacks due to mindless zombies. Her candles i use to protect her with Disguised or chain activate. Due to Chiaki's slow with disguised it severely limits the damage that can be stacked on Reva. This forces my opponents to focus on Toshiro and the Vigor SB bubble who are completing schemes. Because of the plus to attacks i can very reliably get corpse markers, which Reva can use to help with attacks, and i just generally hit more often. I also like to bait my opponents by not doing the 0 to increase defense. Scheme choice is very good for my build. Due to the amount of extra AP, the fact that ALiTS is always an option, and i can kit out the Sbers with finish the job i can always score max for that. Usually i overwhelm them so thoroughly by turn 3 or the top of turn 4 they concede at that point.

YEAH, you could say that. 10-0 and tabled them. I think they are letting her get in their head though. Reva's consistent damage and flexibility scare them and they make sub optimal moves.

I've played more with Toshiro since and the more i get comfortable with him i find that i like his death bubble with the Sbers more and more. Being able to consistently give them fast can make them so nasty. I've yet to use the Focus 0 though. War Fan does so much for them. I have yet to purchase Val but when i do i will try her and Toshiro together.

I used a very similar strategy to great effect. I had Reva focus on one group of stalkers while my Shieldbearer/Toshiro death bubble walked towards the center and right group of stalkers.

I think the problem lies with how low of a bar it is to use her efficiently. She plays so straightforward that pretty much anyone can pick her up and give someone a whalloping. Obviously more skilled players will still get more mileage from her. To answer the question she is banned right now and i can't use her :(. Never lost a game with her yet so i'm about 6 or 7 and 0. Played against Misaki and Sonnia so far. Reva's never died either, though Misaki got close once because i over extended. Re-stablized with all of Reva's healing the following activation.

I knew i messed up something...

Pretty much everything you've stated is my primary use for her candles. Chain activating Vincent with Blood Mark is solid because if the candle is close enough you can use the built in trigger to increase his damage. I also love using the candles' push to redistribute the corpse markers to vital areas of the board. Disguise is amazing for protection. I love disguising Reva, Vincent, or Chiaki against my opponent, especially because my opponent's favorite master is Misaki. *Insert Maniacal Laughter* I will say something i love about Reva, Vincent, and the candles are what they do for your control hand. You really only need 5 cards as you'll want to dump the sixth to summon. Using the candles to chain activate allows you to cycle a card and Vincent allows you to cycle a card if you discard a corpse marker around him such as from Reva's trigger to increase her damage track or from his own ability to get a suit of his choice. Its not the most manipulation but it does allow you to ensure a decent to amazing hand for most turns.

I think that it is more to do with my opponents being psyched out by Reva in the first place. They try to force penalties on Ethereal by cheating so by the time i use Life Drain i can be pretty confidant of the max damage. That being said, i have top decked for the required suit and max damage with Life Drain before. Maybe i am getting luckier...

Win for the Child logged. Reva brought mercy to a Sonnia crew.

My experiences with Life Drain have been very different. I've failed to cast once. The lowest damage i have had with it is 3, and only once. All the other times i've cast it has been the max damage. I don't mind her stoning for the suit because it can give my 3 Shieldbearers fast so that means i'm trading one stone for 3 additional AP on some good models. On top of that if i'm super aggressive with my SBers than i just throw another purpose on them and gain the stones back.