Fictor

Ramos only need the Steamfitter scrap, when he summons the 3 arachnids they summons whit only 2wd, if you need you can use magnetism to move and kill one for another scrap, and like other says Electrical Summoning gives you more scrap and maybe the enemy kills someone of your constructs, or an arachnid can move into Strike Marker of you need.

You only want more scrap if you take Combat Mechanic upgrade and want to heal.

And now with Steamfitter, take Mechanical Toolkit and Joss to kill him for two scraps are very bad option, because you loss Joss's Aps and one miniature, I prefer the Steamfitter option.

9 hours ago, BFOmega said:

I'm curious, why Electric Summoning? I've never really gotten much out of that one, you already want the 8+ of tomes for summoning spiders, I feel like you'll just end up being starved for them more often than not.

On that that same line, playing Ramos with only 3 SS seems pretty rough as well. I know the list isn't solely about summoning, but it's area denial and attrition, which spiders help with (plus the obvious of scheme running.) Do you not find yourself wanting more later in the game?

The app only show the cache, in the crew have 4ss pool, and yes Electric Summoning upgrade is the worst part of the crew, you can down that and up the ss pool to 5, but with 6 strike markers on the table I want to see if the bombs give me more enemy movement control.

This is my Vox Populi crew

Declared Faction: Arcanists 
Crew Name: Ramos Vox 50ss 
Leader: Ramos - Cache:(3)
   Vox Populi 1ss 
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Electric Summoning 1ss 
Malifaux Child 2ss 
The Captain 9ss 
   Patron's Blessing 1ss 
Union Steamfitter 6ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Lazarus 10ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
 

42 minutes ago, cbtb11235813 said:

I wonder if bringing a metal gamin would be more beneficial to bring up one of the golem's df. What does the raptor do in this list?

The Metal Gamin is bad because need stay 3" of the Golem and the idea is activate all trash and later reactivate the two Golems + push with Angelica + IE, then charge something and smash in the reactivation.

The raptor are here for the same reason that The Philosopher's Stone, if you need cards (in the last game my hand was terrible) I draw 7 + SS for 2 cards (bad cards) + discard the upgrade for 2 cards more + Steamfitter + Raptor hit the Totem to trigger with  to look on my library and put the 10 for the Brass Arachnid to reactivate the Golems.

Testing Golems and reactivate ^^ win vs Vikis

Declared Faction: Arcanists 
Crew Name: Ramos Golems 50ss 
Leader: Ramos - Cache:(3)
   Under Pressure 2ss 
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   The Philosopher's Stone 1ss 
Brass Arachnid 4ss 
Ice Golem 9ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
Ice Golem 9ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
Angelica 6ss 
Union Steamfitter 6ss 
Ice Gamin 4ss 
Malifaux Raptor 3ss 
 

Is impressive to see Kaeris on B+, can you tell me some Crews with her that has good results?

@HollingydaleIf you pick an Steamfitter I think you want the upgrade Frozen Servant for Envelop in Ice it's true?

Hi guys! I'm testing a lot Sandeep last games vs my friend @mojopin for the moment I'm changing the Henchman basically, the list works really good.

What do you think about the changes? you prefer Carlos over Snow? after think a lot I prefer Snow because he can shot with blast and with  Gamin is really good.

The Slate Ridge Mauler with Ml7 auto Slow is really good, but Cassandra + Performer combo to copy Siren Call and Paralize with stone is awesome.

Go to see the Crews... 

Leader: Sandeep Desai - Cache:(4)
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Seize the Day 1ss 
   To Command Another Plane 1ss 
Cassandra 8ss 
   Warding Runes 1ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Blood Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Doom Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Nemesis Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Angelica 6ss 
   Practiced Production 1ss 
Arcane Effigy 4ss 
Performer 5ss 
Malifaux Raptor 3ss

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Leader: Sandeep Desai - Cache:(4)
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Seize the Day 1ss 
   To Command Another Plane 1ss 
Amina Naidu 9ss 
   Warding Runes 1ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Blood Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Doom Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Nemesis Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Angelica 6ss 
   Practiced Production 1ss 
Arcane Effigy 4ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss

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Leader: Sandeep Desai - Cache:(4)
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Seize the Day 1ss 
   To Command Another Plane 1ss 
Snow Storm 11ss 
   Warding Runes 1ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Blood Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Doom Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Oxfordian Mage 6ss 
   Nemesis Ward 0ss 
   Temporary Shielding 0ss 
Angelica 6ss 
   Practiced Production 1ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Arcane Effigy 4ss

For me the biggest Oxfordian problem is his 40mm base, and the fact that you 'must' pick 3 of them, because in 6ss range they doesn't are good enough. 

But with all of that, and later of play them a lot in the last games... they are really good 

20 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

@Fictor

Arm +2 and incorp are about the same against most attacks and Dreamer also has a trigger so it can be negated by the same stuff that negates Ramos'. It's just built in and on wp as well.

Apart from that you have some points.

True, a little mistake with Collody's defense ability 

For me Ramos need a important buff.

You compare with Nico, bot now do the same with the Dreamer...

Doesn't need markers to summon

His Nightmares low WP on 3", and our Arachnids need base contact

His walk up to 7" vs 4"

He heals in pulse

His shoot upgrade give him +1Ap for shoot, do dmg for each Nightmare... really let Ramos do dmg for each construct... and we'll see

His defense does't are trigger so cant be negated or need suit.

He can give suit with a totem of 2ss to summon out suit...

And remember that always, Ramos can summon 3 spiders but need 11 AND SS, if you have RJ but no SS you CAN'T summon 3 spiders, but all the other masters can summon his best miniature. AND another miniature to provides him scrap, sometimes it counts a lot.

I will go to speak about my opinion.

Yes, Sandeep is the best Arcanist Master, but for me its't enough reason to nerf it, you see Nelly? Collody? they are really OP too and we need tools for combat that monsters. 

And always if you must decide between two option, always is one better than other.

I prefer a little buff on Colette, if bad masters are better, we can see more variety in the meta.

Man... few days ago speaking with @mojopin about Lampad... THIS is what Kaeris need... something to put burning and do thing with that, and is in another faction... Wyrd please!!! 

If at least it will be mercenary... like Performers for McMourning

For the Ramos's Striker Markers you can add Lazarus to copy the ability again and have 6 Markers at the same time on the table 

In my Alpha lists doesn't have slots to Howl, I always want to start the next turn to attack with Marcus and companion Cerberus so, I need Size of the Day upgrade =P

The problem are the limited upgrades, for me the best is G&D, so we doesn't have access to fly with burning, the best option is use to set burning on our models to draw cards, is a cheap activation and can heal, it's nice.

I speak all time in competitive play, I play Kaeris with friends a lot to test combinations, but, for a tournament doesn't are an option for me.

Thats the reason, ok, I think it rigth.

Poor argument to take the Child for me, I doesn't finish to apreciate Kaeris mechanics...

Can you please explain me a little the form to use that list? for example, maybe the problem are that I play really bad Kaeris.

3 hours ago, Hollingydale said:

• Kaeris - Grab and Drop/Seize the Day/Blinding Flame
• Malifaux Child
• Joss - Open Current or Bleeding Edge Tech/Imbued Energies or Howard Langston - Imbued Energies
• Angelica - Blade and Claw
• Cojo - Well rehearsed
• Slate Ridge Mauler - Circus Bear
• Moleman
• Medical Automaton or Arcane Effigy

For me the problem with Kaeris is, that if you change Kaeris in that list for any other Arcanist master this will be a better list.

And an anotation, why people say Malifaux Child is good with Kaeris, I only want use 0Ap and Malifaux Child can't do that, are something that I doesn't see?

This weeks I'm testing other masters (Ironsides, Kaeris...) after few games I can say, Kaeris is the worst Arcanist master, like you say all his habilities are worst than any others maters.

Like you say summon at death are so, so bad.

Pyre markers are bad too! they pop out at the end of the turn, so Sonia and Raspi are a lot of better in that again.

The 'Expurgue' of poison that have Kaeris, and his totem (this bad, bad totem) ends the burning, but isn't the same like Expurgue poison because poison doesn't do all dmg at the end of turn and we need that, but the burning do all dmg and we doesn't need spend Aps to consume, if they at least doesn't finist the burning after resolve the Ap, we could do dmg at the end of the turn too...

And his Ap to do more dmg on burning and the Firestarter hability are Aps!!! Sebastian is a passive, poison can't be reduced by armor, he doesn't need activate before, only stay near the targets and do dmg 2 times in

IMO, she and his crew do all worst than all other comparations.

For me, te real problem is the box, really 3 miniatures? man, it must be a box with 1 miniature or 2 at maximun, none will use 3 xD.

But, out of Toni's crew, for 8ss IMO is a bad model, other models cost less for do similar things (6ss for Cojo or 7ss for the Bear) o 1ss more for do so much more (like Carlos)

12 hours ago, Jinn said:

... Marcus is generally considered great, and he can hire hounds so he can get activations if necessary...

In fact my Alpha list have 4 Hounds, for 3ss are so much better than Raptors, i think they must do something because PP nerf was an indiret Raptors big nerf (yes, before it was broken but now are so bad, middle term please).

The other masters must has cheaper options too (out summons).

For me we are one of the worst cheaper activations factions, with PP out the Raptor sux, the new Guard for 3ss is really op in the same cost, the last tournament @Linar used 4 of them, and in pairs with Df6, wd5 and armor it was a real pain for me. Imagine Gamins only cost 3ss...

In the other hand Hound can Interact of go in pairs, now, Raptors are really bad, I think need one rule like Hounds to shine.

Can't reply before, but you, guys, resolve the things like I think, thx for it

In other order of things that post will be sticked? I have in mind to another for Ramos, but I spend a lot of time on that, and if it will be forget in the forum I can be reconsidered 

To be different... I play Mannequins a lot, the ability Magician's Assistant give me a lot of games, Set Up, Inescapable Trap... and a lot of more, this can be auto win.

If I take Mannequin I usually take a Performer to carry the Mannequin and can do the combo:  marker + Seduction in the middle of enemy crew