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Nathan has stated in another thread that he is under the impression they have all been sent out and at this point it is just catching up with paperwork. He did say he wasnt 100% sure though.

Yeah I didn't really think I was antagonizing you. Still it doesn't hurt to say as other people and mods are reading and I want to make my intentions clear. I do think the discussion is good to have. I hear you about needing all those different models though. The more into the game you were before the more the new way of doing things bites you in the ass. I guess I was fortunate in the crews I picked as I played quite a few in 1.5 and have not been hit as hard by this as many people it seems. Although I am probably the wrong person to be judging this as I am biased in the other direction and willing to spend entirely too much money on shiny new plastic. If I own something in metal it will probably delay me buying the plastic, but it won't stop me all together.

We already did argue all day about what Wyrd could have done differently. We actually agreed quite a bit on the fundamentals I just don't think getting angry at Wyrd makes much sense here. That was a different thread but this is part of my point. I don't mean to be antagonizing myself, and I also understand that you are frustrated that they continue to release models this way, I just don't understand what you were expecting when they said they would continue to do it this way when the question was raised before. I really don't take issue with your opinions or anything like that, and I really am not trying to make you mad, I only started this discussion again in this thread because it is the second or third time I have seen you advise someone against buying a box set and trying to split it up on ebay by saying there is "no secondary market." I don't even take issue with this sentiment, I just think it goes a little bit to far and it is more accurate to say that the secondary market is tough and you will likely only be able to sell the Minions from any box set easily, the Masters and Totems will be much harder. I realize this is a small point but I think it matters as being out for the entire box just to get 1 model sounds a lot worse than selling 3 models, keeping 1 to use, and having 2 that are dead and difficult to sell. I am also a fan of Wyrd and have been playing the game since 2010, maybe not as long as you but it is still a long time. I don't see how their decision to release their models differently for valid reasons (even if it is inconvenient or we might not agree with the reasons) invalidates their past good deeds as a company. They obviously still hold things up for not meeting their standards, as evidenced by brewmaster and any other number of delayed releases. Their decision to make arsenal decks was a great one for many reasons, even if you could buy the new barbaros separately you could still just get an arsenal deck and proxy him, arsenal decks make more sense than selling individual cards from the companies point of view and if people want to replace missing or damaged ones how else would they? In other words I don't think the purpose of arsenal decks is invalidated by the fact that you cant get some models separately. I get what you are saying about the Viks for sure, and it is disappointing that the TTB females will apparently not even be fixed for retail. I think that Wyrds decision on that is strange and doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe it would cost too much money or take up too much time to be worth it right now. I guess I just don't think that you need to be all that nostalgic because Wyrd is still a pretty great company. I think they have bitten off more than they can chew recently but I still have hopes that they will catch up with the plastics and things will settle down a bit. Hopefully they will sell at least the henchmen and enforcers separately in the future but only time will tell and in the meantime they have models that don't exist at all, let alone in metal, to make.

Ototo can get dirty cheater with gremlin zoraida as well. This thread is really making me want to try him with nexus of power though. Maybe fears given form on top to capitalize on how difficult he will be to get rid of and abuse his 3 inch engagement range?

My point was not that the current situation is ideal, it was that you CAN sell the tots and at least try to sell Lilith and the Cherub on eBay. I think this argument has been beaten to death and you know I agree with you about the fundamental idea that buying Barbaros (and anything that doesn't exist in metal) separately would be great. The fact that you are not willing to eat the small loss of money or invest the time/effort to make the loss lesser is your own prerogative, my post was only directed at you because you claim in this thread and in many others that there is no secondary market whatsoever for broken up Lilith boxes and other boxes. I only wanted to express my opinion that you can indeed break up and sell a crew box, even if you are incurring a small loss from what you would be if the model was sold separately. Really at the end of the day I don't think the situation is all that bad. As much as people will deny it, miniature wargaming is not a cheap hobby. Wyrd could be packaging models together on purpose and it would be a legitimate (and decent from a money making standpoint) business strategy. I think that if they were obviously doing it on purpose people like you would have a bit more of a leg to stand on but as it is you are just complaining that you can't get the model separately without spending a little more money or putting in a little more work. It sounds to me like you just don't want an official Barbaros model that much, which is entirely fine, but you have your options, you have Wyrds reasons for not selling the models separately, they know we want them to sell the models separately, and they have said they do not intend to in the near future. So yeah I don't think it is that unreasonable of an expectation. As we went over in the other thread, I do think that what you want (for Wyrd to repackage and sell separately a bunch of models they currently have in circulation as part of other boxes before they move on to their already busy and behind schedule) is fairly unreasonable. At least admit that it would be a lot of work to split Barbaros and the other models like him out separately and that it goes against the idea that Wyrd should be getting all the plastic box sets out as soon as possible and keeping up with their schedule. I can't understand how people like you, especially a couple of weeks ago when this subject was getting a lot of discussion, can simultaneously complain about Wyrd being behind schedule and still say that they should do a bunch of work to split models they are already selling into separate boxes, just so that people who already have the metals don't have to "work" on eBay to make back their 10-15 dollars or just bite the bullet and buy the damn plastic set.

Well he was originally only made for prize support IIRC (which is why there are so few of him) but he was sold at a Black Friday sale yes.

That is your perogative and while largely I agree with you I would definitely hire Johan into a crew if I thought he was needed in something like a tournament setting. But then this is hypothetical as I dont really play in tournament settings so I tend to agree with you on this. Still the OP asked for ways to remove conditions in gremlins, and I provided one. I am pretty sure some of factions have a lot less choice when it comes to condition removal and Johan might make more sense in them even without the fluff angle just because of the factions limitations. But I don't really know about the condition removing abilities of every faction so these are just ideas. Besides Wyrd gave you a fluff reason with the Somer box right? The gremlins "captured" Johanna

I think the desire has been valid since the start and Wyrd agrees. There are other reasons they have stated for not selling him individually and they have said it is very unlikely he would be exclusive to the webstore as that would anger game store owners(I was in favor of this at first as well but now I see their point) I would second that the Tots will probably be fairly easy to sell on the second market, lilith and the totem probably not so much but I have seen them all sell as single models on ebay in the past. So while I can understand your statements here and in other threads that there is no secondary market value to the lilith box, I think it is much more accurate to say there is simply a lot less demand for the other models in the box than barbaros. This may be obvious but I am tired of seeing you tell new people that there is no way they will sell the contents of their lilith box ever and there is no point in trying. If you absolutely cant afford to pay for a lilith box minus what you can sell the Tots for, then your arguments start to hold more weight, but if you can afford to be out that much waiting for lilith and the cherub to sell when they might not, I think it is perfectly reasonable to get a lilith box and assume the Tots will sell fairly easily. They may not be a regular sight on ebay but plenty of people have cut up plastic m2e crews and sold the models individually on ebay, and the models always seem to sell(I have seen most every malifaux model on ebay in the last 6-8 months and check pretty much every day). Dont underestimate the power of the internet to bring you together with the one person on earth who just wanted lilith or the cherub for a conversion and nothing else. I could buy a lilith box set right now on ebay for 25 dollars. Terror tot boxes are 13 at the cheapest and somebody has a set of 3 without the box (so from a lilith box) for 9 dollars. Assuming you can sell the three tots for 8 dollars total (cheeep) and barbaros costs what 10 bucks? That means you are out 7 more for pandora and the cherub. Really not that terrible especially as barbaros is probably worth a bit more than that especially if he was sold separately from the box on the secondary market. In short if you can afford to be out 7-15 (more like 7 if Tots sell) dollars for the forseeable future, give it a try and see if you can get them to sell. Even if you sell them cheap at least you can get barbaros and get something back.

I cant comment on how associated is supposed to read but I really don't think you are reading the Red Joker erratta correctly. When it says the RJs suit is on the card, it is not referring to the character card, it is referring to the Red Joker card and saying that it counts as though the suit was literally printed on the RJ card if it isnt already. So while I don't know about a dispute over nether fluctuations, the way I am reading this erratta, as long as nether fluctuations IS only built in suits, the RJ is not affected.

This is what I was saying, Nether Fluctuations removes the built in suits from your Ca, MI, and Sh stats. It doesnt remove the suit from the card you flipped off the top of your deck. The bit about the Red Joker suit counting as being on the card for all intents and purposes is really just wording that is there because Tannens "Leave it to Luck" specifically calls out a "mask card" and people were arguing over whether the Red Joker counted as a mask or not.

No I am pretty sure it just strips the built in suits from your Ca, MI, and Sh stats. I don't see how that conflicts with the Red Joker ruling or changes the way you would play it though, maybe you can explain a bit more? If you are talking about where it says the suit counts as printed on the card for all intents and purposes, I am pretty sure it means the Red Joker card as that was a topic of debate in the threads about whether or not you can summon Teddy with Leave it to Luck. (Whether or not the joker counted as being a Mask or not when you chose Mask) Maybe I am just misunderstanding you.

Romanians?

Hooray for an official Red Joker ruling! I will summon all the Teddies(well I already was but still).

You can also hire Johan as a mercenary and use his Rebel Yell to clear all conditions from a model.

The Transmortis box is good once you have a large base of models already as it gives you access to what are essentially specialized punk zombies that kill either Constructs, Living, or Undead slightly better than normal punk zombies. The Hanged are also good as they attack Wp and deal damage that can get through traditional defenses. Again I'm sure you can see where this is going. Nico is a great master and you should definitely play him if you want. Just be aware it will lead to you owning most of the Resurrectionists if you keep expanding your summoning pool.

Taelor the Outcasts mercenary has a (0) action where she gains a condition called "Welcome to Malifaux" that lets her charge anything that is summoned in Line of Sight of her until the end of the turn. She also has a large Relic Hammer which hurts everything but especially Constructs and Tyrants. If you like Nico go with him even if he is better with a large summoning pool you can grow your pool as you want and still have fun playing the master you want to play. Ophelia is also cool if you like gremlins better than ressers, and while she doesnt need things outside her box to the extent Nico does, she still is better with outside additions. So go with what you like more aesthetically and play style wise. Except Lady J, I don't like Lady J so you shouldn't play her

Well that is easy then get the Seamus box as well and then you get Belles for cheap, access to Sybelle, and another Master to play around with. I would reccomend getting Nurses but then someone will always (rightly) say you should just get the McMourning box instead of a box of Nurses, you can probably see where this is going. EDIT - Damn you hammer wielding fiend! Ninja'd

Oh gawd. Please, no! HOW DID YOU KNOW IM A TYRANT?!? *crunch*

Ah yes, Obey on Papa... Good times...

Why are you hitting the new people in the face with a Relic Hammer? What is your problem man.

Yep just wanted to confirm Zoraida made the effigies. As far as I remember she then voluntarily let them go to join and help who they would, but im not 100% sure its hard to remember the fluff.

This mini looks great. I love the coloring of the harness and the metal thing on his back. Where is it from?

But we still got Tuco! The rest is only a matter of time. Demoness Perdita anyone? She would probably oust Lilith and become the new leader of the Nephilim.

Did anyone say it was not ok or asking too much? Or are you saying that is the only thing anyone has complained about recently? I think if you are missing your kickstarter pledge of course you should contact Wyrd and complain about it. I think people like you who are missing kickstarter pledges are one of the many reasons people like Mercer should have a little patience, considering the TTB kickstarter just happened I am sure Wyrd was already receiving tons of emails and things regarding miscasts and mispacks, missing packages, second TTB exclusive fate decks and hardcover books, and all manner of things related to the TTB kickstarter. This combined with the general avalanche of emails I am sure they get because of gencon is the reason I think we should not be expecting prompt responses right now. I didn't say all of the complaining was unfounded. Just that there has been a great deal of it recently. Some of it has most certainly been ridiculous/unfounded or at the least over the top or impatient.

I FEEL you my man. Deep inside, I feel you.