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I notice a big omprovement in new LJ plastic crew - judging from pictures. I still prefer stylle of old metal LJ crew - but techically this new plastic box looks good or event better than good.

It is a open quetsion if Kirai crew can be stopped by every M2E crew. You point out problems with 1.5 meta but now we can not predict what problem we will face with M2E meta - we need cards for all models, more time and games in competetiv envirioment. Only then We can agree that M2E dealt with all 1.5 problems sucesfully.

It is impossibe to say for now is Iron Zombie and over- or under-powered or balanced. This stats card are the first official M2E stats cards - rest that we have seen are only Beta. We need to wait a little bit. In this moment Iron Zombies minions are IMO a little bit weeker choise than Punk Zombie.

You are right - I do not even try to suggest that Your opinion is not valid. My point is: Malifaux 1.5 is still great game - down of M2E is not changing IMO this simple truth.

Maybe we will discuss perspectiv for grow of Malifaux community in Poland with reference to M2E. I am out from gaming for some time so I will not be able to contribute my opinion, but maybe You will have intresenting ponits to rise?

Posters are great! Steam powered Carriage will be the Supply Wagon or Scenery Piece? Or both?

Excellent remark – such models should be like Story Encounters – used mostly for fun and diversity

If Malifaux 1.5 is so terrible/messed up/to complicated game that needs so many changes why Wy are here on WYRD forum? Why We are customers of WYRD? 90% of Us are here and are customers of WYRD because of Malifaux 1.0 or Malifaux 1.5 – we start our quest with WYRD because of previous version of Malifaux. So we are mistaken since the very beginning? Malifaux 1.5 was terrible since beginning or … become terrible after M2E was launched? Why M2E change our judgment about systems that bring 90% of us here? And one more point, I presume that in 4-6 years third edition of Malifaux will be launched – and then M2E will be terrible game that need changes … or already is terrible game now?

Now outcome of voting is quite stable. I will risk the statement that about 25% of WYRD Forum community will appreciate further development of Malifaux 1.5 in possible ways: so it can be FanBase errata, FanBase rules conversion or ... the best solution: FanBased modification done with allowance and contribution of WYRD Staff. If MalifauX 1.5 still have Followers, and this Peoples still will be customers of WYRD so maybe further development of v 1.5 (made mostly by Players) can be justyfied from sales perspective?

Tara of Everblight, Rulebook and someting else - it depends what will be available.

Nice Essence of Power - it looks like Genies - very good executed idea. All Your works are impressive - especially small graveyard.

No motion/chaos in Polish thread - it is unusual. Something wyrd is happening ... From Wikipedia: Wyrd is a concept in Anglo-Saxon culture roughly corresponding to fate or personal destiny. The word is ancestral to Modern English weird, which retains its original meaning only dialectically.

Maybe it is a good time to resurect thi thread again. Now we know the format of cards used durig BETA, we know that there will be two Arsenal Boxes for each fraction. Do You expect WYRD will release free pdf with cards for models used in first BETA? What price do You expect for Arsenal Boxes (and if the price will be the same for Wave I and Wave II Arsenal Boxes)?

Why are You suggesing that Gamers who still like Malifaux 1.5 more than M2E are "haters"? For me They (We) are only Gamers who think that Malifaux 1.5 is "better/more entertaining/orginal/one and only/more fluffy" game than M2E. All voices about Malifaux 1.5 have only one purpose IMO: to show that Followers of Malifaux 1.5 still exists, want to still play Malifaux 1.5 or even further develop Malifaux 1.5. There is no place for hate - only for personal opinions.

I also have my doubts about this comparison - WM&H is my primary system since 2006 and I really do not see similarities between M2E and WM&H as far as gameplay and scenarios is concerned. However I see similarities in number of rules on cards – average Solo/Warjack/Beast in WM&H has as many rules as Henchmen or Master in M2E (before upgrade). What is really interesting is that in WM&H Player have much more models with similar “depth” to control than in M2E – and so far I do not hear voices that WM&H is too complicated – just opposite point level is steadily increasing from initially 35 to 50 or even 75 points.

Excelent posts Gentelmen - they are really helpfull in ansvering what is unbalanced in v1.5. But in this moment, in moment of transition between edition, when we can look upon v1.5 as a dead game (it will be dead in half a year) what I find important is to answer questions like that: Why v1.5 becomes unbalanced? What factors/proces contribute to unbalancing wargames? What Game Designers, Player, Beta Testers can do to avoid "power creep" - becouse as we had allready agreed on example of v1.5, it is in loong run not good for the game? If we grab second book for M2E and we notice models with excelent rules and SS cost noticable to low we should say "excelent" or we should say - "M2E is heading in a wrong direction and repeat mistakes from previous edition"? What do You think?

I noticed various Persons statements that one of the reasons to introduce M2E is unbalanced of MalifauX 1.5. When I ask if "Game Balans" is on the lists of priorities of Games Developers, Justin ansvered(Thanks for that Justin): Sorry, but I have to ask - what was higher on the list of priorites or what goes wrong that MalifauX 1.5 becomes (in many Peoples opinion) unbalanced?

So I am very glad that WYRD is doing everything to balance and improve M2E to meet Players expectations.

Writing "we" do You mean - We Players? How Players can strive for balance? During Playtest Players opinion are mere sugestions - Players can not influence Gaming Company to introduce chances or balance game system. Or at least Players have very limited options to do that. And another thing: "point of vision" sometimes depends on what Fraction particular Player have chosen, this to powerfull or this too weak. Or You mean - We Game Company Developers? I can not speak for Them becouse I don't know if "Game Balance" is on their lists of priorities. And one remark - I am not speaking about WYRD. This is only some general remark about phenomena of "next edition" and "game balance" in Wargaming.

Miniature Games never will be balanced - such solution will strongly discurage Players to buy new models and new rulebooks. Every new Book on average is bringing less and less balanced models, more rules, more synergies - to the point that whole Game is in a mess, is to dificult to start for new Players, require lot of FAQ and erratas ..... then new edition appears and Circle of Live begins again.

Tara undead assotioation is sugested in Dead of Winter story - her Totem (Karina) is dead and is ex ressurectionists.

The problem is I have wasted a ton of money (almost 200 models) and time on MalifauX 1.5 - so to quit a playing MalifauX is not a option to me - and as I stated previously I would prefer to still play 1.5 - but in my area it is imposible due to lack of players who prefer 1.5 over M2E.

I almost force myself to like M2E because I slowly come to realization that the only way for me to play MalifauX is to play M2E. But it is so hard for me … every time I see the arts of my favorite characters (or to be precise the art of evolved characters), their new cards I fill … sad and abandoned. Not really sad and abandon – but rather sad and abandon as much as my hobby can inflict me. Good thing is that I have rather vast collection of MalifauX models so I will pick band with rules I like – for me there is no other way because in my area most peoples enjoy M2E.

Very true also for me.

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?29277-Find-a-Game-Opponent-(new-easy-to-read-version) take a look