Soseito Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) I'm constructing a 25 point Kirai list that can be tailored to different situations and here is what I have so far. Kirai Lost love Seishin x5 Gaki x1 Weaver widow The lone gaki is in there so I would have something else to attack with other than Kirai and the widow. I know the widow is a bit of an odd choice but I like that fact that she can create more creatures and net me more cards. (And I just really like her for some reason) I was looking to hire Collodi for larger games because the two of them work well together but I forgot about the rare 1 limitation Kirai creates. So that means no four mannequins for Collodi. I figure that Datsue-Ba would probably be a better choice then the widow because she can create more spirits and leaves me with a few extra S.S. but I really want a way to deny my opponent the use of scrap and corpse counters as well as creating more minions. So far I have been able to come up with one semi-decent combo for the widow. 1. Have the widow create a scrap counter. 2. Have the widow turn the scrap counter into a wicked doll. 3. Have the Lost love turn the widow into a spirit. 4. Have Kirai heal the now ghostly widow. 5. If hand permits have Kirai reactivate the widow. 6. Widow eats another two control cards to make another scrap counter. 7. Widow (hand permitting yet again) creates another doll. Steps 5 - 7 are optional. Side note: the weaver is a great way to eat up low/useless cards. I understand that this is a very high card intensive list and it only leaves me with 3 soul stones so it probably wont be easy to play or have a high victory chance. Is there any way to make the wido work with Kirai or am I trying to go in too many directions at once? On a side note: lets say that for whatever reason I turn a wicked doll into a spirit with Lost love. Would it drop a scrap counter and create a shishin when it dies? Or does the spirit granted by Lost love remove the construct type? Hmmm... For a larger point game what about replacing the widow with a desolation engine? The Rare 1 really wont be a problem and it could spawn more creatures. If i'm reading desolate warping right, wouldn't the trigger create a SPA while kirai creates a seishin from the slain creature? I was initially looking at Ashes and dust instead of the engine but at the moment i'm favoring the engine because when it dies it creates two more abominations that can spread and create more. However Ashes and dust will always be able to pop the Desolate warping trigger. Agh! Why must my brain keep pulling me in so many directions at once? If it matters any, my favorite masters are Kirai, Collodi, and Levi. It's just something about creating minions out of an opponent's slain troops that makes me smile. Edited July 7, 2012 by kannachan Making it easier to read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Cordell Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Did I miss something? How can Kirai hire the Widow, Collodi, or the Desolation engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blog Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 What he said. ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soseito Posted July 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Unless I'm mistaken the wording is: "During scraps any non-spirit model gains Rare 1 when hired by this crew." If I remember correctly models can be hired out of faction for an additional soul stone added to the cost. Or did my brain trail off and pull a stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Cordell Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 That rule only applies to mercenaries, or other models that have ways to hire outside of faction. I don't believe it is a blanket condition that anyone can take advantage of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnivision6 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 she can hire everything on this list: http://pullmyfinger.wikispaces.com/Kirai+Crew+List Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soseito Posted July 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well now. That does make me look a trite air headed doesn't it? Oopsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Creating minions out of an opponents slain troops is kind of one of our schticks as rezzers A few options that spring to mind. 1) Go with Kirai and Datsue-ba. Datsue-ba's weigh sins power can make gaki (or Onryo) out of anything that wasn't a spirit. Kirai's ability to generate Seishin from deaths nearby means you'll be churning out spirits no problem. 2) Collodi and Weaver Widow. Collodi can head his own squad of murderous dolls, of which weaver widow is a member. This has the key advantage that wicked dolls can "jump" to either the widow or Collodi as a zero action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soseito Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'll probably just end up going with the standard list of 5 Seishin, Lost love, and Datsue-ba. As for the widow list I think I'll use Zoraida as a master and hire collodi and the widow. Unfortunately I don't think the dolls will be able to jump over to the widow because she doesn't have the puppet master ability. (unless i'm missing something again) The reason I'm using Zoraida as the master instead of collodi is because she can just summon more wicked dolls for a (2) action. Thanks for the suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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